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Book Review: Real Food for Mother and Baby

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I’ve been reading lots and lots of books in the process of writing my own. Many of them are only good for a tidbit or two. Some of them I can’t stand all together. Some of them are great. And some of them are a little disappointing. Well, why not share a few of these with you? I have read way more than I can possibly write about but I’ll try to review a few here and there.

I recently nearly finished, but just didn’t, Nina Plank’s Real Food for Mother and Baby.

At first I thought the book was great. She’ not Paleo – she eats grains and legumes – but whatever. Lots of healthy peoples around the world include a little fermented grains and legumes. It never worked for me, I don’t think it’s ideal human food, but it clearly doesn’t harm non-modern people terribly. So that’s not my beef with her book. It’s the tone I didn’t like once she got into the diet for pregnant women.

A Little Irresponsible

She did a great job researching the book. She included a wealth of information about special foods and nutrients for fertility. But when she started outlining the diet for pregnant women her tone became nothing less than irresponsible. “Here’s what traditional peoples say you should eat when you’re pregnant, and I believe in this whole heartedly, but don’t worry about actually doing it – it’s impossible and there are plenty of short cuts you can take” was what I got out of her attitude.

I’ve been pregnant, twice now, and I can’t understand how she can say that you don’t need to worry about actually eating, and that animal foods are too much for her to handle.

What was she eating while she was pregnant? Loaves of bread and oatmeal?

In my own experience keeping the carbohydrates fairly low – not high at least – and avoiding starch keeps nausea at bay and the appetite healthy.

I felt a little queasy in the first trimester but I felt very queasy when I ate starch. In fact, I gave potatoes and sweet potatoes a try this time, independently, and found that I had to sit still most of the day during those periods. I eliminated the starch and with it went the nausea. I added it back, it came back. I eliminated it, it disappeared.

Now, I’m not trying to definitively say that starch is bad for early pregnancy – it’s definitely bad for me – but with the prevalence of morning sickness and appetite loss, and the high carb diet that goes right along with it, you’ve really got to wonder.

Anyway, that’s beside the point. I am not faulting her for her dietary choices. I am faulting her for telling her readers that eating grass-fed butter, liver, meat, eggs, marrow, etc. was such a grueling chore for her that she simply refused to do it. I thought she was the ultimate proponent of real food here, the traditional foods example to live by? If the Real Food lady won’t even bother to take her own advice then it must not matter much, right?

I’m wondering why exactly she wrote the book. Was she trying to ease the conscience of other mothers, like her, who failed in their dietary pregnancy plans? Did she think that’s what other women needed to hear. “I can’t do it, I can’t eat that much real food!” “Don’t worry child, it doesn’t really matter anyway as long as you have supplements.”

Because she had done a great job with her research I kept reading anyway. Until she got to the story of her son’s birth, or rather the after story. Some unfortunate circumstances led her to have a c-section. I can sympathize, kind of. Our situations were totally different but I was there anyway. Her son was in a difficult birthing position, my daughter’s cord was wrapped two times around her head. I was the idiot that went to a hospital to have my baby in the first place. She was smart and stayed home, but it still didn’t work out.

The Parallel of Our Births

The story of my daughter’s birth is absolutely pathetic. The doctors at El Camino Hospital that night were not very creative when it came to delivering babies. My own obstetrician wasn’t even there.

But there I was, the woman who didn’t stick up for myself against my husband that was afraid to have a home birth.

Well, if I wasn’t going to have a home birth, I was at least going to have a natural birth, or so I planned. I walked into the hospital and they told me they were going to cut her out. Just like that. I was like, what!? They told me I didn’t have a choice because her heart rate wasn’t quite ideal. I said no way. They said yes way and compromised with drugs to stop labor. Hours later they decided that labor shouldn’t be stopped anymore so they gave me pitocin to kick start it.

Oouchhhh! Determined not to take any more drugs I labored  9 hours on pitocin with no epidural.

My labor really never had any hope to begin with. I was cold. I was scared. My blood sugar was jacked from the glucose. Glucose interferes with the production of oxytocin and other hormones needed for delivery. They made me lie on my back while hooked up to a bunch of machines. Eventually, all I could think about was killing myself, I was in so much pain, but I couldn’t think clearly enough to make it happen so I’m still here. So, after a horrible and hopeless labor, Evelyn’s heart rate dropped to 60 beats per minute and they cut her out.

And then it was all over.

I slept a few minutes while they cleaned and sewed me up and then they brought me my naked baby and I put her against my naked chest and she searched for the nipple and found it. I was the happiest mother in the world. I didn’t care about the c-section any more. I had my baby in my arms and everything was ok. Every single day thereafter I couldn’t wipe the smile off my face. She was perfect and I was in heaven.

Sure I was stuck in bed and could barely walk for a while, but I ate a healthy and careful Paleo diet every day and was doing great within 2 weeks. Sure I had to tell all of my friends that my birth totally sucked, and I was the one that was supposed to have a natural birth, but shit happens. At least my baby was nursing. At least I was producing colostrum and then milk like a machine. At least my daughter started sleeping through the night by 3 weeks. At least she propped herself up on her elbows by the 9th day. There were so many great things to be proud of. I couldn’t care less about the cesarean.

…And How Our Stories Differ Afterwards

But Nina Plank found herself lamenting the embarrassment of it all for a month. I know that we all have our strengths and weaknesses, but it just doesn’t seem right to me. I was there too you know? I had to recover from the drugs and the surgery, but I did it all with a smile.

I’m not judging her as a person, just possibly her situation.

She asked, “Why me?” She said that she felt she was supposed to be the role model of health. She was born at home; her baby should have been too. What would people think of her?

I just can’t see how her mind lost its focus on the joy of her new baby and worried about the judgement of her peers. Of course I don’t know the details of her life and home but it sounds to me like the all too common symptoms of postpartum depression.

If a woman is not utterly elated after giving birth to a healthy baby and maintaining a healthy milk supply, I’d have to say there is somewhat of a chemical imbalance going on. Maybe I’m being too harsh but even Catherine Czapp thinks she should have taken a bit more cod liver oil, egg yolks, and bone broths.

Could our differences in attitude have been because of our differences in diet? I didn’t mess around with junk food when I was pregnant (except for a little dark chocolate which is arguably ok anyway), and I ate a lot, and a lot of special foods.

Weston A. Price Foundation Gives it Thumbs Down

I later went and looked up what the Weston A. Price Foundation had to say about her book and was thankful that I put it down when I did. I’m sure I would have been appalled to find that she didn’t bother making homemade baby food with bone broths for her child. Pureeing baby foods from stews is no easy chore but that doesn’t stop traditional cultures from doing it. Isn’t that who we’re trying to emulate here? Catherine also said that she allowed sugar and white flour to creep in to her baby’s diet. I can’t understand that either. I protected Evelyn from that for more than two years. Pregnancy and child nutrition is a big deal to me. Shouldn’t the writers of these books follow their own advice?

What books about pregnancy would you recommend as an alternative to this one?

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63 Comments

  1. I don’t know of any other decent books out there (thus I am anxiously awaiting yours!). I did read the “real food” book, and I liked the parts about what to feed your baby – although yes, she admits flours creeped in. I was debating giving a copy to my mom so when I go postal on her for trying to feed “Gerber baby snacks” to my baby, she’ll at least have an idea where I’m coming from. I have been meaning to email you on this topic. Before I got pregnant, avoiding starches was pretty easy. Now with constant nausea, I broke down and had some toast. Normally I’d treat some nausea with fasting, but that is not an option now! It was the only thing that sounded good, or even edible. It did settle my stomach, so unfortunately I’m back to eating toast in the mornings, but then the bowels are super angry about this. But eating something fatty or too meaty just sets off the gag reflex! Feeling like I can’t win for losing right now!

    • I know the feeling. I think any pregnant woman knows what it feels like to feel nauseous while pregnant to varying degrees. For me it became really clear after a few experiments – I love experiments – that starch aggravated it in the long run. There is a sense that it helps short term, but I wonder if it contribute to its general presence. I need a group of women to give low carb, real food a shot to see if there really is some relation or if it’s just me! Maybe you could do an experiment for a few days? ;) I found that what makes me feel really great right now while I’m pregnant is to eat only animal fats, no veg fats at all. I don’t eat much meat but I do eat a lot of fish. I eat a lot of eggs and butter and grassfed, nonhomogenized milk – stuff that should be really problematic. I am not eating any sugar or starch. And since I don’t eat fruit (fructose malabsorption) my carbs are inadvertently low. I’ll write a post in detail soon, but for now if there are any takers for the experiment…

      • I’ve been thinking a lot after several days of “irritable bowel” returning that I need to get back to real food…was just telling hubby I was going to go make some bone broth. I’m game! I’m just a little afraid of the “carb flu”, but then I’m craving and eating fruit like crazy! Going through “cutie” oranges like nobody’s business :-) I will make a concerted effort to get the grains back out of the diet and see how it goes :-) I need to find a good source of raw milk. We have awesome grassfed beef in the freezer. We’re trying to eat fish once or twice a week, so far that has been ok.
        And I can relate on your first birth experience. I had my son 7 weeks early by emergency C due to Preeclampsia with HELLP syndrome. I hardly ate any meat with him though, beef made me hurl! Strange…so I’m hopeful that returning more to our real food roots will help result in a different outcome this time!

      • My husband and I are planning to try for our first baby in a few months and I fully intend to eat a paleo diet throughout my pregnancy… looking forward to your posts on the subject. I only eat starches occasionally, so my diet is pretty low-carb. I am looking forward to seeing how my body reacts to pregnancy and diet, and what kinds of food will be tolerated!

  2. I had a very similar birth experience as yours and a similar reaction. And a vegetarian aquaintence who merely was forced to have a hospital birth (still vaginal, not c-section) rather than a homebirth because of problems, and then postpartum trauma.

    My son was posterior and a bit transverse, probably due to the fact that because of my business I own, my long commute by car, and sitting in an office chair, he presented this way. I chose to not have a home birth because of a few reasons–we are not close to a decent hospital in the event of an emergency transfer, my doctor was a general practitioner who was very successful at delivering unmedicated babies (including her 2 own) and VERY supportive of my requests, among a couple things. Plus, my grandma’s first baby died after 3 days of labor (she was, and still is a healthy farm woman), my mother had a c-section with me in the 1970s after a 48 hour labor. So genetically perhaps I was not blessed.

    To make a long story short, I was in labor for 29 hours, and he was stuck, I was exhausted after being up for 45 hours straight (went in labor at 9pm after being awake all day). No drugs. His heartrate was dropping to 55 for long periods. I had the c-section, they took him away for about 15 minutes because he wasn’t breathing well. But after they brought him in, he was bright pink, healthy, and he latched on within 5 seconds. I was in heaven. I had another 24 hours of lack of sleep because of the excitement, but I powered through and healed well.

    No postpardum depression, no regrets. My paleo-ish diet high in fat, animal products, bone broths, etc. I’m sure contributed towards my recovery.

    I find it interesting that some natural parenting websites are filled with stories of the trauma and depression that happen after a failed homebirth or c-section. Many on those sites are vegetarian, or at least follow a high whole grain, Kashi type of lifestyle.

  3. I’m not sure of the format, but have you checked out The Healthy Baby Code from Chris Kresser? I haven’t looked into it, but I enjoy his posts and podcasts.

    • I bought the healthy baby code and it’s pretty great. It’s a multi-media program with some audio bonuses. He talks about the need for mindfulness, relaxation, etc. in addition to all the food related stuff. I like that he’s very specific: exactly how much liver should we be eating in order to get enough folate? I learned a lot, even though I was already Paleo. He advocates upping the carbs a bit during pregnancy (as in not going super low carb) because the added glucose is good for the baby. I’m going to go back and reread that part, though, because I’m not 100% on the specifics. I’m feeling great and losing weight while keeping the carbs to a minimum right now, but obviously, the weight loss goals will be suspended when I do get pregnant. I’m in the TTC phase so I’m trying to get this all dialed in advance.

      • That’s good to know. I haven’t checked it out.

        I am aware of the recommendations to up the carbs while pregnant. That was what prompted me to eat starch. For me, that was a failure. I was tired and miserable. So I tried sugar. Tired and sad. I really tried to do the carb thing and it just made my life horrible. So now I’m back to low carb and feel amazing. Almost too amazing. I’m wondering if the baby is even still in there! Sometimes you have to do what your body is asking you to do and not what other people say you should do. We’re not all clones and what’s right for one may cause a host of problems for another.

    • Kresser’s info looks interesting, but WOW is it expensive! It also comes with a whole bunch of crap — er, extra materials. I’m pretty minimalist in my life and don’t want all that extra stuff lying around my apartment. I wish he’d just write it in a book I could read.

  4. I read her book after my baby was born. LOL She was about 2 months old and I was just discovering WAPF. It actually really helped me. I was freaking out about everything. Trying to do everything. Change everything. And was getting overwhelmed. Because of her book, I only pureed foods with broth for a while then went to baby led weaning (cooking the veggies in broth) which my daughter excelled at. I also learned to relax about spices and seasonings. My daughter is now 17 months old and loves spicy foods and will eat most anything. I have kept her off grains until about a month ago (we tried soaked oatmeal and she didn’t like it). I think her book is good for beginners. I would recommend it to SAD friends.

    My son who is almost 7 was also a c/s. And yes, I was eating low-fat SAD at the time and now know that didn’t help at all. After over 20 hours of labor I went in to be cut open and in the end had to go under general anesthesia. I woke up screaming and crying to no baby. They didn’t bring him to me for 4 hours because he had temp issues. We had latching problems. It was horrible. I was depressed about it for months. And bitter about it for years. I know my experience was a little extreme but I understand how a bad birth can mess you up for a while.

    • Thanks for the perspective. We are all coming from different places and we all need different points of view. Somebody was bound to need her point of view and it looks like it made a difference in your life!

      It sounds like you had a hell of an experience. I’d be pissed too if I couldn’t breast feed. I mean, it’s not like I wasn’t pissed. Of course I was. I just didn’t have the mind to focus on it. :)

  5. I’m relieved to see increasing information within the paleo community about nutrition during pregnancy. I was diagnosed with gestational diabetes and (unknowingly) switched to a paleo diet before I even knew what it was.

    Despite amazingly rapidly loss of baby weight after my C-section (I was 119 pounds at 5’3” w/in 2 weeks after giving birth) I insisted on getting screened for Type II given my family history and knowing that having had gestational increased my risk.

    I was mortified to find that I did in fact have Type II. I’m now planning another pregnancy and told my endo that I intend on adhering to a low carb/paleo diet. He practically yelled at me, noting that I will not gain sufficient weight, insisting that I’ll need to consume 150 g of carbs every day.

    A family member who is a physician and supports my paleo/low carb lifestyle, agrees with my endo. He cites evidence suggesting that low carbing during pregnancy sends an epigenetic signal that the mother is in starvation mode; this will predispose the baby to obesity and diabetes later in life.

    So I’m confused and conflicted about what to do…I’d love to see more discussion and hear more about the experiences of other moms who ate paleo during pregnancy.

    • I know of one study linking low carb pregnancy to epigentetic problems. It wasn’t even a study on the connection to begin with. It was a conclusion drawn later that maybe it was low carb which caused the epigentetic changes. It easily could have been something else. Beyond that there have been no further studies on the issue. Maybe there is a connection, maybe not. I definitely don’t want to give my child an epigentetic disadvantage but I don’t deal with carbs well. I am certain that at least for me I need to go easy on them. I’m not saying it’s ideal. Although it may be. Studies haven’t been done and if they ever are done I would imagine researchers would use inferior food. It’s like asking a woman to eat lots of spinach and drink lots of milk when she’s allergic. Even if they’re good for you, if you don’t tolerate them they cause more harm than the good they can possibly do.

      • From what I’ve read and studied, including Chris Kresser’s Healthy Baby Code, the problem is not necessarily a low carb diet, it is ketosis. If your body is in a state of ketosis it will prepare your baby to live with limited resources, making it predisposed to obesity among other problems. Your midwife or physician should be testing your urine each visit to determine if you are in a state of ketosis. As long as you are not, your low carb intake is not causing any problems.

        I’ve eaten paleo my entire pregnancy, which has been very healthy, and only once did my urine test show I was in a state of ketosis and it was a morning that I had a very small breakfast.

    • Shema — I ate paleo/low carb during pregnancy, and my daughter (now 3 months old) is perfectly healthy. My pregnancy was great. I gained 30 pounds! I would say that is sufficient! If I had eaten 150g of carbs a day I probably would have gained excessive weight and had other issues. Fortunately, my midwife was supportive of my choices.

      • Dawn, same. I ate Paleo, lowish carb with my daughter Evelyn. She’s six now and is thin as a rail, active, happy, with a great appetite. I wouldn’t say she has any food issues or any health issues to speak of. Anyway, I wasn’t able to eat carbs then any more than I am able to eat them now. Unless, ya’ll think it would be better for me to be tired, crabby, and miserable while pregnant, I think I’ll stick to what works. :) I doubt I’m in ketosis often if ever, very rarely anyway. I can’t imagine occasional ketosis would have escaped our paleolithic ancestors. I would worry more about lack of nutrients, toxins, toxins created by bad food choices, allergens, junk food, excess carbs…

        Most of us aren’t starting out with perfect bodies and so we have to adjust our strategies to fit our particular bodies. Even pregnancy is not black and white as much as we wish it were.

  6. I’m doing Food Renegade’s Beautiful Babies e-course. Rocks. She’s WAPF but knows her stuff pretty much across the foodie spectrum.
    Her theory is that a lot of morning sickness is liver the mothers’ liver not working well. Then magnesium deficiency. She’s got suggestions on food aversions and cravings. For those not able to stomach fats, she has a very plausible explanation about a feedback loop with the pancreas and not enough bile, and recommends ox bile or bitters to get you over it because otherwise you automatically go to bland, bready non-food and that spikes insulin and and and.

    I agree about the Plank book for beginners. And I fully agree with how disappointing it got as it went on, with all the compromises (chocolate milk and bread sticks!?).

    As someone who worked academically on post-natal depression, I am aware of the connection with lack of fats and protein (B vits). The other non-primal factor we have to consider is the lack of social support for new moms we have compared to small tribes.
    But I must say: the fear, pain, helplessness of a c-section (offered by a dr who you are supposed to trust, who’s bullying and hurting you to “help”) is for some women akin to consenting to be raped. Traumatic and hugely alienating from one’s own body. Also leads to reduced lactation etc.
    Birth is a life-changing event for the woman; her sense of who she is, what her body can do, her trust in those around her… It’s not all about a healthy baby.

    • I looked up food renegades program, thx for the info! I’m considering her buying her program it’s just so pricey and I wonder if it’s really that useful. You seem happy with it, right?

      • Jennifer, I’m also taking the class and it’s really pretty great. A lot of the info, in the beggining especially, was review. But it’s laid out very nicely and has been great to reinforce what I’m doing in my pregnancy.

  7. ^ yeah, that. I’m kind of surprised that you fall into the “all that matters is a healthy baby” camp. “Birthrape” is a term for a reason. Undergoing a c-section, especially after plans of a home birth, can mean being completely stripped of your autonomy, losing all control, literally lying exposed underneath a stranger with only your most begrudging consent.

    I suggest you add Baby Led Weaning to your reading list ASAP. There’s no good reason to give a baby puréed food – at all – and a long list of reasons not to. It’s nothing to do with laziness or a lack of time. Did you know that feeding purée baby food is a practice that stemmed directly from the era of formula? It was easy to put it bottles. Babies don’t need a food that they can’t eat without it being pulverized. In their entire first year, food is 100% about exploring tastes and textures, not about nutrition. Nutrition is supplied by breast milk, and there’s no need to supplement it until after the first year. Feeding purée only displaces breast milk with inferior nutrition. Also, feeding purée doesn’t allow for exploration in texture, which I think accounts for a lot of the problems with picky toddlers.

    Anywho, highly suggest BLW.

  8. Also, I’d imagine that traditional cultures are not pureeing stews with their magic bullets inside their huts. Offering sips of broth and pre-chewed meat and veggies, yes, but I think that’s an important distinction.

    • I used the word puree, but I actually just mashed my daughter’s food with a fork. I’m not all that into kitchen gadgets. I guess you get so used to hearing the word puree. Anyway, I made stews, which had soft veggies and meat in them, I’d add some broth and mash it. I imagine some baby’s food in traditional cultures might have been pre-chewed, some of it mashed. Anyway, as you might recall, I was really into raw meat and fish so there was little need for that with my daughter. Veggies I think are unnecessary for little ones, so she had some a little fruit and avocado which are soft and tasty.

      The point the author was trying to make was that straight chicken might be a little hard on an infant’s digestion.

  9. Peggy, I totally agree with you on the c-sectio issue! I had one, too (and it possibly saved my daughters life) and though I did not plan for it I focused on being thankful for my baby`s good health, my quick recovery and went on with life! Lamenting about “lacking the birth experience” is a symptom of today´s culture: Everything, everything has to be event character and if something isn´t exactly the “event” that it was plant for it is inferior (hope I made my point clear, that one was difficult in English!). Also, I am not happy with Nina Planck`s stance on alcohol (like research is conflicting, traditional cultures might have done it so she has her glass of wine). I think alcohol doesn´t have its place neither in the placenta nor in breastmilk!

  10. I am a home birth mama of two with the 3rd due in July. I have been on the slow road toward Paleo eating and still have a long way to go. Started on the path this year because my 5 year old has eczema which cleared substantially when we eliminated gluten and dairy. Even though I still have a bit of sugar and starch I have had NO morning sickness this time around to the point I have become anxious, thinking something is wrong when really, it is probably my diet. While I haven’t read any great books on pregnancy eating (waiting for yours!) my go to pregnancy book recommendation for any woman is Spiritual Midwifery by Ina May.

    I so appreciate your sharing your birth experience. Hoping you have the experience you need this time around.

  11. Having read Nina’s book several times I’m surprised to read your review. I never got the feeling from the author that she didn’t eat a mostly paleo diet when she was pregnant; in fact, I added in many of her traditional ‘fertility foods’ when I was trying to conceive. I think she is a big believer in the WAPF way of soaking grains to make them even remotely digestible by humans, though I still think they’re not really food. I found her honesty about occasionally eating and letting her toddler eat less nutritious stuff (modest amounts of bread and sugar) to be refreshing. It’s hard in this carb-filled world to keep little ones innocent of junk for long…try though we might. She even said when he started refusing real food in favor of crackers that she fought him on it and broke into tears several times. She really cared about feeding him right but she knew that she couldn’t control every aspect every second and maintain her sanity. That’s what your review doesn’t seem to show: she didn’t say that traditional cultures fed their young ones one way but it’s TOO hard so don’t bother. She gave readers options because she knows that it’s hard to change every aspect of one’s diet and if they at least limit white flour and sugar and eat pastures butter and meats they’ll be better off than those eating Thr standard American diet.

    None the less, when I actually got pregnant I became nauseated for 12 straight weeks, couldn’t stand the smell or taste of all my low-carb staples (meats, poultry, most vegetables) and could only stomach homemade sourdough bread and butter and yogurt, milk and fruit. I really tried to eat the lovely meals my husband made, but I just couldn’t stand the taste and texture then. I hated this fact, as I knew I wanted to build my little baby out of the best food possible…but, as you said in your post: you rarely get everything you planned for in life.

  12. I also remember Nina saying several times that what she wrote was just what SHE dis in her life and not that the traditional way wasn’t possible. I rarely pureed foods for my son but I also admit that I did occasionally feed him jarred sweet potatoes and meats with no added starches or sugar. Was it the absolute BEST food for him? Probably not. But I’m not perfect and occasionally I gave him lower quality food. I’ve NEVER fed him rice cereal (despite my mom-in-law’s still constant insistence that I should) or anything besides meats, veggies, fruit and a bit of dairy occasionally. He’s 14 months now–strong and happy and will eat just about anything I offer him. Relatives try to give him floury cake and crackers and think I’m a food Nazi for not giving it to him, but I don’t care. Even his birthday cake was a homemade pecan crusted cheesecake with a modest amount of sugar. He loved it but ‘they’ wondered why I didn’t just make him a big sugary pile of sugar. I akways tell them that grains and sugar are not real food and I am not going to tell my son that it’s good to eat that stuff or serve it to him at home.

    Bottom line: be as diligent as you choose to be with your and your family’s diets. Still, I worry about your review scaring off those that might truly be helped by Nina’s thoughts and research. I recommend this book to every pregnant woman I know because I believe its value exceeds its imperfections.

  13. Peggy, thanks for the review and for allowing so many thoughtful comments. I had the birth experience I wanted, but still found myself with a terrible case of post-partum depression and anxiety that ended my breastfeeding relationship with my baby when she was three weeks old. I still grieve that, and feel very guilty for not trying harder to hang on.

    I’m hoping to get pregnant again ASAP (baby now almost 9 months old and healthy and enjoying a wide variety of natural, near-paleo foods, although I have caved on letting her eat oats) so I am very much looking forward to continuing to read about your experience. And eventually your book!

  14. I totally disagree with you about the cesarean issue. While some of the surgeries actually save the mother &/or baby (30%… Birthing is the most profound and often life-changing sexual experience for women & for those who didn’t truly NEED the cesarean, I can understand how difficult it would be to come to terms with it. Insensitive staff, restricted movement & nourishment, impatient docs who use the inaccurate readings of Electronic Fetal Monitoring w/o using other readings, separated from baby after birth, drugs used in birth, success at breastfeeding (lactation is challenged from synthetic drug disturbance of natural hormone balance), interference during the vital Primal Bonding Period just following birth, supportive friends/family, & etc are just some of the factors that can play into a woman’s response to her birth experience. Healthy grieving and debriefing are essential, but very difficult if the woman is surrounded by people who diminish her feelings by telling her that all that matters is a healthy baby. I suggest reading “Silent Knife” to understand some women’s responses to cesarean & “Scientification of Love” by Michel Odent for information about the Primal Bonding Period.

    • oops! just realized my %’s were missing… suspecting my little man must have gotten his paws on the keyboard ;) supposed to say that >20% of women end up with cesarean, some hospitals have rates >30%, though the acceptable rate is closer to 10% with certain facilities (Odent’s Pithiviers center & The Farm) with <4%. 1 out of 3 or 4 birthing women will have medical staff intervene with this sacred event, though only 4% probably truly needed the intervention. Those rates are terrible & worth grieving over by all womankind, but especially by the woman who didn't need it. Here's a quote I love: "This great opening of the womb happens only once or a few times in your life. It is a very deep emotional experience that involves a regression to your most basic feelings, as if everything you have ever been through is part of the present time." -Janet Balaskas
      anyways, wanted to make more sense of my lone % in the first post :)

  15. I am with Kristen. I managed to have a drug free birth in a hospital setting with my first baby. It was a hospital birth because, just like your husband at the time, my husband was against home birth then. But the hospital experience, even though drug free, was truly awful. The only “good” part about it was that it convinced my husband 100% that home birth was the right choice for us and our second kiddo was born at home. Up to this day, however,I shudder and grief the birth “experience” of the hospital birth as it totally was stolen from me. And I think birth experience matters. HUGELY. Both my kiddos were nursed successfully right away, no formula ever, both nursed till three years of age and, yes, they are the most wonderful human beings on earth I adore. But I still absolutely hate my 1st birth experience and wish no woman ever has to go through that. It was incredibly tough standing up for my rights to no drugs and no medical intervention and really truly took up a ton of my energy and so-so much away from the birth experience. I don’t think I can or will ever forget that and I think my feeling, just as many of other mothers, are justified.

    • We’re considering home birth too, but I think for the wrong reasons: because we’re afraid of having to swim upstream to be heard at the hospital (which triggers stress -> fear -> worse labour/birth outcomes). I need help while birthing, but I don’t trust their help. How sad.

  16. Though I was able to deliver without cesarian, my water broke but my body wouldn’t start labor on its own. After about 6 hours and lots of pressure to have pitocin administered, I eventually caved. Labor set it hard and heavy and fast, but I was able to deliver after only 20 minutes of pushing. Though I wish my body had started laboring without drugs I’m glad I was able to have a safe birth that mostly fit with our birth plan. I had initially considered doing a home birth but after reading several of Ina May’s books decided I personally felt safer knowing that I had decided to do a hospital birth. It was an amazing birth experience once I started pushing. I had very supportive and encouraging nurses and my mom and husband were there to keep me relaxed. Hopefully with the next child I’ll labor on my own, but I could understand for the first time why some opt for pain killers. Pitocin made the contractions almost unbearable without drugs, but I made it through because I had faith that I was going to be able to bear it and it was worth it. I’m glad to say, though it wasn’t perfect, that I had a good birth experience.

  17. Oh I love this post. I was so much better this time around in pregnancy and hoping that next time I can be even better. I can’t wait to read your book!
    One thing about what you said, people being depressed about their birth story. I wanted to home birth my first, but it really didn’t work out we were moving and just decided to forget it. I had him at the hospital, and like you ended up taking pitocin then an epidural. I was close to a c-section but as soon as it seemed like they we mentioning it I pushed my sweet boy out. I never was embarrassed that he wasn’t natural nor do I carry that burden of ‘how my birth didn’t work out’ around. I was just happy with my son and milk supply like you.
    Now, I did have my second at home, my daughter and I had a completely different experience. It was amazing and beautiful and I actually found out a lot about what I did wrong at the hospital. So now looking back I can see the choices weren’t that great but live and learn right? But I don’t dwell on the hospital birth with my son, he’s so great, I’ve nursed him for 2.5 years now and he’s just the best thing (besides my daughter too). I just can’t understand why people dwell on their lowsy birth experience When they have an amazing life in front of them.
    Anyway, thanks for this. Can’t wait to read more about reviews.

    • Cassie, it’s the dwelling that lost me too. Sure it hurts to get so damn screwed over. Sure I hated those doctors and that hospital. Sure I got robbed of the experience of a vaginal birth and feel in a way like I’m not even really a mother without that experience, but the fact is, that was my fate. I can’t change it. Why dwell on it? I would rather focus on what is lovely in my life than on what sucks.

      • Peggy, that’s just it: it wasn’t fate. It was medical intervention. Many women struggle because they can’t reconcile the feeling that they were violated with the message that they were helped.
        That you have been able to hold regrets and healing in your mind simultaneously is great, and rare. As I said above, for many women it’s like rape, and no one expects a rape victim to walk away and find the good in the experience, or call it regrettable but fate.
        The whole way you view the world is resilient. Not everyone is.
        This just occurred to me, and I mean it as an honest, in no way agressive question: you’ve mentioned that when you’re eating well for your body you get “vulcan”. Is it possible that these two things – flat affect and resilience to trauma – are related?

  18. Peggy: I also had a very hard time finding good books for the pregnancy diet as well as first foods for baby. It was pretty much impossible to find a book that didn’t say that we’d be harming our babies if we weren’t eating plenty of whole grains. That was where Nina’s book and my beliefs parted ways–she thinks that grains are innocuous and I completely disagree. As I follow your blog, I know that you’re a celiac, but I personally think that even those that aren’t diagnosed as celiac really are harming themselves by consuming gluten grains. Same with our kids: we’re pressured to stuff them full of grainy junk pretty much as soon as they’re eating solids. That’s my main issue with Nina’s book: she’s pro-bread and believes that, if sprouted, it’s a good food for kids. I disagree. It’s a shame I might have to claim my son is a celiac when he gets to kindergarten in 4 years to prevent him from being fed cupcakes at every weekly birthday party. It’s scary how often a class of 30 kids has birthday parties!

    Sorry for my rant! Thanks for doing what you do–I really appreciate your point of view:)

    • Robinowitz,

      No need to apologize! I know what you mean. It’s so frustrating. And if you claim they’re celiacs, other nastiness will still end up in their tummies, like cheetos and a host of other non-foods. How do you win? I think you can’t really. The world is the world and as they get older you really can’t keep them away from it. You can teach your kids and hope they travel down your chosen path. Hope.

  19. Hi Peggy. First of all, I just want you to know I love your site. My girlfriend loves it too. Anyway, this is off topic but I couldn’t figure out how to email you. We are planning on moving to Colorado Springs.
    We were wondering if you had any tips or advice of any kind for us. We have two kids (11 year old girl, 6 month old boy.) We live a minimalist simple life. We enjoy hiking and other outdoor activities. We appreciate any input you can give us. Feel free to email me.

    • There is a new Paleo/Primal meetup group in Colorado Springs, so that may be a way for you to connect with some other like-minded folks once you move here. :-)

  20. I read Real Food for Mother and Baby when I was first starting my Real Food journey (which has brought me to the Paleo Diet). I found it very encouraging, but I can understand why you didn’t like it.

  21. Do you know of a good resources, blogs or otherwise for making (paleo) baby food?

  22. Wow! just found you site, first article I have read here. referred by cave girl eats.

    I was just thinking about ordering that book! so good to know. I read her first one and though it was decent so was curious about the second. Ill just avoid it. And wait for your book which sound much better!

  23. Peggy, with regard to women’s feelings surrounding their birth experiences, I don’t think there is any “right” or “wrong” way to respond. The experience of pushing a baby from your body is something unparalleled by ANY human experience as a woman, and when that is taken away, especially unnecessarily, it is devastating and traumatic to many women. I have had 3 cesareans and then a breathtakingly perfect Homebirth (you can see my story in sideshow format if you google “our journey to homebirth”). I went through eleven years of my life wondering of my body was somehow broken or defective. It wasn’t until I finally gave birth to my son that I felt whole again. I know this is not the case for some women and that’s okay. It was my experience, and that’s okay too.
    So, will you choose to schedule a cesarean with this baby or to plan a VBAC? And if you’d choose a VBAC, why? It seems like there has to be a part of you still grieving over what was lost and longing to complete that circle of birth.

    • Teresa, I can see how you would question your body’s abilities after 3 cesareans. I can see how you’d wonder if your body was ok or not. However, even if it weren’t (which it did turn out to be) there is no reason to kill yourself over it is there? I mean it sucks that things are the way they are these days. It sucks that we’re fed bad food and our skeletons don’t grow right. It sucks that our hormones are imbalanced. It sucks that our doctors are ignorant and afraid of being sued. There are so many sucky things about the world. The point is, why dwell on all of that? That’s just my view. Every woman is certainly entitled to feeling bad about a c-section.

      Why in the world would I schedule a cesarean with this baby? That is a very strange practice in my opinion – to intentionally subject myself to a host of drugs and pain. Vaginal births are natural. Of course that is what I will aim for.

  24. Peggy,

    I have 3 children and I’ve been a type 1 diabetic for over 23 years. My first child was a c-section and she was 3 weeks early. I had planned a natural birth (no epidural) but she was breech and the risk was too high. I also had preeclampsia.
    The hospital strongly suggested on several occasions that I have another c-section for my second child and I was adamantly opposed.
    While I was very disappointed about the original c-section, (I had never even felt a contraction) I was very happy to have a healthy baby. My thyroid levels were messed up and weren’t monitored as closely as they were with my second and third children and I was unable to breastfeed past 4 months. I even hired a lactation consultant who admired my determination as a young mother so much that she stayed an extra hour without charging me.
    My second daughter was a vaginal birth and I held out for as long as I could for the epidural, but when they’re inducing you, the pain comes so hard and so fast that it takes your breath away. There was a small part of me that felt like a failure, that I could just suck it up and keep going, since she was born about half an hour after they administered the epidural.
    Luckily, I’m of the same mindset as you; it really sucks, but at least I have a healthy baby! She took to the breast and I breast fed her for 7 months (wishing I knew THEN what I know now I would have breastfed her for a lot longer).
    As for my son, the nurse wouldn’t let me get up and walk around, which they let me do for my second daughter and that really made me mad. She also really pushed me to have the epidural and I told her flat out that I would NOT have it until I absolutely needed to have it. I guess it’s something to do with trauma to the womb or something? I’m not quite sure.
    She finally realized that there was no changing my mind and I was glad she got off my case. I was stalled at 4cm with my son, and as soon as the gave me the epidural and it took effect, he was out in one push. No joke! However, the guy that froze me was awesome and I was only frozen from the contractions, but not from feeling my son actually emerge. I felt every agonizing inch of him come out and I’m glad I did. I breastfed him until he was 18 months and he stopped on his own.
    I’ve only recently discovered paleo, but I can tell you it’s done wonders for my blood sugars. I also have pretty wretched eczema which eases up when I lay off the gluten. I read Robb Wolfe’s book and I loved it.
    I can’t wait for your book to come out! Thank you for keeping up this blog, it’s a truly great inspiration!

    How do you make soup bone broth?

    Thanks!

    Juliette

    • Juliette, check out Nourished Kitchen or Kitchen Stewardship for great tutorials and recipes for bone broth. The basic gist is: chicken frame in pot or slow cooker, splash ov apple cider vinegar or wine, just enough water to cover. Bring to a low boil, skim, drop to just barely bubbling and leave it for 24 hours. Strain, freeze or refrigerate. Use 3+x weekly for minerals and soft tissue support.
      (If you’re interested, there’s an annotated bibliography post on my blog about diabetes.)

  25. I wanted to chime back in and agree with the couple of folks who noted that this book is great for “beginners.” I read it before I had ever heard of ancestral foods, paleo, WAP, and it really changed the way I viewed food. My view has changed a lot since that first wave past SAD/CW, but Nina’s book was really the gateway for me. (Funny story, the reason I chose this particular book was that we were thinking of TTC, and I went to a bookstore and thumbed through all the books I could find on pregnancy/infant nutrition and flipped straight to the section on feeding infants. If the book insinuated that formula was an okay breast milk substitute, I moved on. Hers didn’t even mention formula – I was sold.)

    This is really fodder for another post, but I think for a lot of people it’s a much easier transition from SAD to TF than SAD to paleo, in a mental/emotional sense. “Ancestral foods” generally bring up warm, nostalgic feelings of simpler times, when hard work meant something. I think there’s something in people that craves work – meaningful work. Most of us have jobs that we don’t feel are useful for much beyond a paycheck, and there’s a deeper satisfaction in consuming something you spent a lot of time preparing (like making homemade bread from spelt you sprouted yourself). “Paleo” is harder to relate to, and images of cavemen do not generally bring about warm, fuzzy feelings (how often do you hear the “short, brutish lives” argument?). Not many of us have the opportunity to hunt and butcher our own food, even if we wanted to.

    Anyway, sorry for the tangent!

  26. Wow. I ate a very sad diet when I was pregnant with my son. Now I’m trying to eat organ meat and fish roe and all this other stuff to prep for the next one. I am praying that eating this way will reduce or eliminate the nausea because that’s what killed my diet last time. Anyway, I don’t think I’ll be reading that book. When’s yours coming out again?

    • I hope so. Are you planning to get pregnant soon, Lisa? Yeah, I think that book would be a bit advanced for you, or that’s the feeling I get. :) That’s great! My book should be coming out late summer.

      • Yes, hoping to start trying soon. I’m waiting till April at least, because that’s when my next kidney checkup is. I’d like to see my test scores and see how I’m doing before all the numbers get skewed with pregnancy.

  27. Hello, I was just turned on to your blog by my older brother (he lives a primal lifestyle) and I am so glad that he did! I love your blog and I plan to follow it religiously! I am personally taking steps to becoming completely primal. I’ll admit, I’m taking it slow because I am just learning about all of this and it is all really big changes for me since I grew up on the typical American diet. But I plan to change that for myself and especially for my son. I used to make home made baby food as well and I thought that was a really good start, I hope to become completely primal eventually. I also have my own blog, it’s my very first blog and I have a lot of work to do on it. But it’s mostly to keep track of my own progress. I am so lucky to have found your blog! I will have to thank my older brother. Thank you for what you do! :)

    Kat

  28. Awww, I was hoping your book is coming out sooner. Turns out I’m due end of Aug/early Sept with my 3rd. :) I just found out 2 weeks ago.

  29. I would suggest Chris Kresser’s The Healthy Baby Code. It is an all encompassing program of nutrition for both mom and baby. Looking forward to reading your book, please let me know when your book is completed.

  30. I am 5 weeks pregnant after being paleo for a year and most recently incorporating really nutrient dense foods like liver and fermented cod liver oil into my diet.

    This is my second pregnancy (my first resulted in a misscarriage 3 years ago) and am determined to provide the best growing environment for my baby, and am reall struggling with finding good literature out there.

    I am following the Weston A Price guidelines for pregnant women, but am confused about supplementation, especially folate.

    The only supplements I am currently taking are Vitamin D drops, Fermented Cod Liver Oil & Butter Oil blend and a probiotic.

    Are you supplementing at all with pre-natal vitamins? I keep hearing contradicting information about how some vitamins are synthetic and can cause more harm than good, but I am also worried about not providing enough folate for my growing baby.

    I’ve loved your blog for a while, but I am an even more avid reader now that I’m embarking on this journey!

  31. My husband and I just found out I’m pregnant, only about 5 weeks along, but have been mostly paleo for the past year-ish. I am super excited to have found your blog!! I feed my pet carnivores a raw diet, so all of the “no processed foods” and such makes sooo much sense to me and I only want the best for all of my babies!!:-)

    I had a miscarriage this past November, so we are trying to not get too excited(I was about 9 weeks along then) but I am, and will continue, to treat my body as if this will continue all the way thru to a healthy happy baby!

    Anyways, sorry for my rambling!lol

    I have been suffering from nausea all week, and falling back onto breads and oats to help me….but plan on trying your “animal fat” test starting tomorrow!:-). Hopefully that will be what my body needs….I know it hasn’t been happy with red meats at all this past week!

    • Congratulations! I will keep you in my thoughts over the next few weeks. I hope your body’s hormonal balance is ready to support a baby right now. If not, it will be in time. I am going to post really soon about diet while pregnant and morning sickness. Hopefully I get to it before you fall all the way off the wagon! ;)

      • Thanks for the good thought, and I look forward to more blog post from you!!:-)

        I am going shopping today, cleaning out the fridge(no need to do the freezer since all we have in there is meat anyways!Lol) And explaining all of my “rules” to the husband!Haha (I’ve been paleo by my own before now, no fights…i just didnt push it, but plan on raising out child the same way you do yours….so he will need to get on board ASAP!Haha)

        Anyways….ya, planning out the shopping list now, and working on the courage to say no to all the yummy things I know I’ll see in just a few hours!!:-P

        • I just wanted to come back and update at the end of my day…I’ve eaten strictly paleo since finding your blog and thus the courage to do so(yesterday afternoon) and I feel amazing!!
          Ive had a couple potatoes w/butter…but I was out and about and got very sick feeling, stopped by a friend’s house…chatted a bit and had something to eat!Lol

          My husband and I went shopping, didn’t buy a single thing that was un-paleo, aside from his peanut butter, but he hasn’t tasted my almond butter yet!;-)

          Tonight I made poached eggs with 3 different kinds of greens I got today, including my dear friend spinach, and some raw nothing added bacon. Right now I’m munching on frozen berries.

          I have a game plan for the morning, if I end up feeling sick, but I kinda doubt I will!;-) (But I will fall back on a potatoe over grains!!;-))

          Thank you once again for this wonderful blog, and for the encouraging words in all of your replies to everyone!! I am looking forward to this experience now more then I ever have, and will continue to follow your blog for years to come!!:-)

  32. Peggy,

    Thanks for reviewing the book. I am 5 weeks pregnant and I almost bought it.
    I refer to WAPF very often. I would very much rely on your blog for pregnancy advice. Please do post your experiences whenver you can to help other paleo pregnant women :)
    Thank you so much for the work you do. Waiting eagerly for your book.