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Q&A: Affording Paleo, Intermittent Fasting and Cortisol, Low Carb and Energy, Raw Meat Starter List

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I’ve had so many good questions this week it was tough to choose which should make it into the Q&A. But I think I did a good job picking out a few that a good chunk of readers are curious about. Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t more than one of you want to know how to keep up your energy on a low carb diet? And aren’t you wondering how in the world you will ever start eating raw meat? And Peggy, you are asking yourself, how the heck do you afford to eat this way anyway?

Hiya Peggy,

My name is Phil and I just attended the recent Ancestral Health Symposium. I picked up a copy of the Paleo Magazine and read your article, ‘Playing Big, Eating Little’ which was really interesting and have since found your blog where I will slowly make my way through the articles you have posted there! I just have a couple of queries about something in the article which I was hoping you could help me with.
If I were to try IF, how would I know if my cortisol levels were too high?

…any help you can provide would be great.

Thanks again
Phil

Cortisol release is an important biochemical reaction to stress. One of its functions is to raise blood sugar levels so as to give you the energy you need to save yourself in an emergency. You don’t really want this to happen too often, though, if you can avoid it because what goes up must come down and, for blood sugar, that means hypoglycemia. It’s kind of like eating a high-carb meal. Subjecting your body to this repeatedly would cause a host of imbalances including adrenal fatigue.

You should be able to recognize that this is happening because you would feel seriously energized and then your blood sugar would drop. If you are experiencing hypoglycemia while fasting you may want to postpone fasting until you’ve been Primal for long enough to see a change in your sensitivity to insulin. But there is a catch. Including intermittent fasting in your Primal strategy can itself improve insulin sensitivity. So what do you do then, wait to become more insulin sensitive (meaning that your blood sugar doesn’t dip so low) or use intermittent fasting as a way to improve it? In the end, it’s up to the individual.

Hello. I found your blog through Mark’s Daily Apple. I was fascinated by your most recent entry; how you detailed the things you ate for a week. I am curious as to how you manage to stay energized without eating any carbohydrates.

Thank you,

-simon

I do eat a little carbs these days – about 20 or 30 grams on a normal day. That’s still pretty low, though, so clearly I’m not relying on carbohydrates for fuel. But I must be using some energy, right? Or I’d just be sitting on the couch all day too tired to live my life. That is definitely not happening! So what is going on then?

A body can use either fat or carbohydrates as fuel. Most of us use carbs. So, when we don’t give it the fuel it expects, it runs low on energy. However, a body can also function perfectly well (if not better) using fat for fuel (called ketosis) instead of carbs. Until your body makes this metabolic switch, you will feel fatigued as you deprive your body of the carbs it’s used to utilizing for energy. In time, though – up to two weeks on a low carb diet – your energy should sky rocket as J. Stanton described here. (Richard Nikoley will be participating in a podcast on Monday in which they discuss low carb. I have no idea what it’s going to be about but I intend to listen.)

Personally, I don’t utilize carbohydrates well. I get very tired if I eat too much carbs. I am happy and energetic eating a very high fat diet. Maybe my genes came from a cold place where carbohydrates are scarce. I don’t know. We are all different and it’s good to experiment, but realize that for anyone the metabolic switch can be exhausting.

Hi peggy,

The problem I find with eating this way is the fact that it’s so freakin expensive:

A) Are you wealthy with a large inheritance and thats why you can afford to eat this way all the time? Kind of like mark who is rolling in cash or,

B) Just your average 20 – 40 thousand a year person and can somehow still afford to eat this way?

The problem I find is that (especially if you have a child) if I spend all of my money on my food I have none to vacation or do anything else and that makes it difficult to want to stick with it – never having any extra cash.

These are the biggest hurdles I have to accepting doing this all the time, I would really appreciate your thoughts on these things.

Thanks for sharing, Alex

I agree that eating this way is freakin expensive! Thing is, I just accepted this years ago and moved on (mentally). I NEVER think about how much it costs and how much I could be saving if I ate differently. There is no eat differently. There is only this.

A.) No I have no inheritance. My parents were middle class when I was growing up but their bad diet led them to the same fate of millions of other Americans and they are now spending all their money on health care. There have been no rich family members that have ever come to my rescue either. (Awe, boo hoo)

B.) I am poor as shit as a matter of fact. But this is mostly a choice. Partly it is because I spend all my money on food. And partly it is because I have better things to do than work for someone else on their ideas.

I work part time writing and doing various things for a software company. It’s a great job, pays great, and if I worked full time, I’d be doing pretty well. But I never work an hour over 20 per week. I couldn’t write and maintain this blog if I did! I couldn’t read all the books I need to read to write this blog if I did. I couldn’t play, write, and record so much music if I did. I couldn’t spend extra time with my daughter teaching her to kick ass at things like snowboarding and rock climbing because I’d be too busy working during the day and winding down at night. ‘Things’ don’t interest me much, experiences do and you don’t need a whole lot of money to have a good time (I mean it would be nice, maybe someday, but whatever).

My living room/recording sudio/practice place

So, I make $25,000/year working part time. I don’t have insurance so I take damn good care of myself and see an ND when necessary. I live in just about the smallest apartment you’ve ever seen (about 500sq ft) with my daughter and boyfriend (who makes even less than I do also working part time). I don’t drive very often. I ride my bike to save money and get exercise. I am a minimalist so I very rarely buy anything. About the only stuff I own are a sexy wardrobe and some good music equipment. We can barely fit all of our music equipment into this tiny apartment so the living room doubles as a practice place/recording studio.

I do manage to save a little bit of money despite being broke. And the Christmas bonus that I get each year (included in my yearly salary above) is what I use to pay for vacations. (If you’re not as much of a minimalist as I check out this post for info on raising your family cheaply.)

This next one came from a comment on my post about eating raw meat:

I’m hunting around your site tonight, already a Primal Blueprint convert (in theory if not in practice). I thought I was doing well to get a raw avocado in my smoothie every morning. I just can’t imagine raw meat at this point. But, I’m going to try to remain open. Do you have a comprehensive list of ideas for raw proteins? Like, I would probably go for raw oysters or something like that, just because it is already commonly accepted (and because I wouldn’t have to chew it).

1. Sashimi – either tuna, salmon, or yellow tail
2. Oysters
3. Raw eggs are easy, just gulp them down
4. Raw ground beef with salt and herbs is often preferred to cooked beef by kids
5. Raw milk if you can get your hands on it

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46 Comments

  1. Woah. The blood from the beef package… not much makes me gag, but that’s pretty intense. Right out of the bag? Or on the rocks? *shudder* I love reading about your experiences, and wish I had the determination to just commit, whole hog, like you have.

  2. My mom put raw eggs in homemade *orange julius* for us almost every morning throughout elementary school for us. It was either that or egg in some other form, but the orange juice smoothie with raw egg was our favorite. My mom had read that eggs were good brain food, so she insisted that we have one every day before school. I always wished for Captain Crunch or Fruit Loops, but now I thank her heartily for all those raw eggs! (She was an old school La Leche League leader — some of the first people of the fast food generations to realize that it might be important to care and think about what you fed your children.)

  3. Hi Peggy,
    I make only slightly more than you working full time, and I also put just about all my ‘extra’ money towards food. I have almost no money leftover at the end of the month. I don’t have a tv, I have a very basic cell phone, basic internet, low rent, tiny car, etc, etc. BUT the inside of my refrigerator looks fit for a queen. I’m thin, fit, healthy, happy, and motivated. So worth it!

  4. We do get that same reaction from some people – that we must be rich to eat this way. Far from it. We are struggling more than ever before but eating right is just too important. Also, I’m not sure our food budget has really changed much since going primal. I can’t be 100% sure of that because I haven’t really sat down and done a true numbers crunch but I have a good feel for how much we spend monthly on food and I really don’t see much change. It’s only been a few months though so it may just be that we had a lot of meat stockpiled from last hunting season that’s been carrying us through. Things like almond flour do cost a heck of a lot more than say white flour, but we don’t use it much to have to buy a ton anyway so that’s not been a major handicap. I honestly believe that processed foods cost a lot more for their convenience factor.

    • I’m not really sure what my budget was before I went Paleo either – that was a long time ago. But I was living on a college budget back then and I think I used to spend $50/wk. Now it’s more like $50 every few days. But I don’t really know. I’ve not added it up or anything.

  5. What a great explanation about how being paleo costs so much buy how that is most important. I think part of becoming primal is realizing that those things we used so spend money on are also junk. Or just not as important as eating well. For me and my husband, we always wanting to go back to Hawaii. It will take us a while to save for it because we aren’t willing to sacrifice our grocery budget. It’s really made us question how we spend money and what is needed and what is really important vs wanting. And if you always feel crappy what’s the point in having a bunch of money?
    About the carb thing, I’ve been wondering about breastfeeding and getting enough carohydrates. Didn’t primal people rely on fat? They didn’t have bunches of carbs. But then again, my midwife ND who also eats paleo or at least something very similar, said it’s necessary to eat carbs while pregnant and breastfeeding. Did you eat more carbs during pregnancy? And wouldnt be better to not go in and out of ketosis?

    • By carbs I mean fruit and yams- not grains

    • It’s a good thing you point that out about sugar. I didn’t even think to include an explanation for this. Yes sugar is made up of both a glucose and fructose molecule, but the glucose molecule actually leads the fructose molecule through the process of digestion. So when a person has fructose malabsoption, they cannot digest fructose all by itself, but a tiny bit with glucose will safely make it through. If ever you accidentally ate a tiny bit of honey or maple syrup, you could actually take a glucose tablet to prevent the malabsorption. This doesn’t work, however, if you were to eat a large amount of fructose, like a whole piece of fruit or something. This website is extremely useful on the subject. http://avthompson.wordpress.com/what-is-fructose-malabsorption-disorder/

      • Okay so I went to think you provided and read about fructose malabsorption and am now totally freaked out and confused even more, but those piranha I feel them in my guts and I have been giving my daughter pre-biotics eeeeekkkkk!!!!! Frustrated, feel like I have to start over and relearn everything.

        • You could get a test for it. It’s the same test as lactose intolerance. I haven’t actually had the test done myself because i don’t have insurance… What a racket. But since I don’t eat fibery foods anyway, quitting fruit, which happens to make me feel terrible, was easy :)

    • I did eat carbs when I was breast feeding in the beginning. I didn’t eat a whole lot of them but I wasn’t super low carb yet. Next time I am pregnant and breastfeeding, though, I won’t hesitate to do the diet that is right for my body.

      About going in and out of ketosis, the switch doesn’t take place the minute you eat some carbs. It takes time so if you eat a high carb meal or have a cheat, you won’t go out of ketosis right away.

      • I wonder how many carbs I eat. I do eat fruits and yams. Some days I crave it. But somedays I feel like a bunch of fat so I take some coconut oil or have eggs in lard (yum!).
        Anyway duh about ketosis…. Im not really sure what I was trying to ask ;)

  6. A while back I learned something you may be interested to know as well. The red juice from raw red meat isn’t actually blood. They drain the blood from the animal during slaughter. The juice is mainly water and some myoglobin. While myoglobin is a protein wrapping up some iron, it’s not present enough to be of any consequence other than its color. There isn’t a whole lot of blood cells left there. Other than refreshing you with a meat flavored drink, I don’t know that there’s much benefit to drinking meat juice.

  7. The cost thing was definately hard when switching my husband and I over to primal, mostly because we are very social and love having people over for dinner…and if we eat this way, so do they. My house, my rules. But I’ve noticed that our local farmer’s market has really comprable prices to most of the stores around here, and $30 a week there is always plenty. We spend about $400 a year on hunting and fishing licenses, and that covers almost all our meat cost, but I realize not everyone can hunt (or would care to do so). If my husband didn’t harvest a deer or elk every year (and if I didn’t every other year or so) I can see how this would be brutal.
    But we like our “stuff” :)

  8. Whenever I think about how much we spend on food (and it’s quite a bit for a family of four), I remind myself that we are so much healthier eating this way and we no longer spend that money on going to the doctor and being sick. My oldest son hasn’t been to the doctor in at least a year, and neither of my kids has needed a prescription in at least that long. In the long-term I like to think we are actually saving money because of our improved health.

    Also, we grow a large garden every year and preserve some of that food, as well as buying our meat in bulk to freeze for the year (a whole cow and half a pig). We also have chickens for eggs and meat. We don’t live on a farm, we just make it work in our backyard. It doesn’t have to be unreasonably expensive to eat this way, but it can take a bit of effort to cut costs.

    • That’s a great point, Sarah. My daughter went to the first few well-baby checkups but since I realized that she was wonderfully healthy and those check ups were intended to simply push vaccines, I quit taking her to them. We never went to the doctor again after that. In 5 years she never went to the doctor once. I got a new Naturopathic doctor after my TBI (traumatic brain injury) last October and so I took her in for a check up too just for the hell of it – because it seemed weird that she hadn’t seen a doc in 5 years. Doc said she was marvelously healthy of course. When you don’t get sick, you save a lot of money on doctor visits.

      Btw, that is so cool that you have a little “farm” in your backyard!

      • Peggy you just touched on something that I am curious about; vaccines. Did you follow the standard vaccine schedule for Evelyn, spread them out, or skip them altogether?
        I haven’t done much research into the subject, and I don’t have children yet but I plan to. It seems to me that most if not all vaccines should be rendered unnecessary when the body is at optimal health?
        With all the current controversy surrounding vaccines (ie- claims that they cause autism) I’d love to hear your take on this.

        • Yeah, vaccinations is not a topic I like to discuss. While I am bold, opinionated, and almost fearless I am not confrontational when I feel there is no hope for persuasion. There are three topics I would rather not talk about most of the time because people are so unflinching in their stance and those are religion, politics, and vaccinations.

          When I was pregnant I spent months reading about vaccines. I have never read more on a single subject in such a short period of time. My conclusion was that they are potentially harmful, often useless, and mostly unnecessary for healthy people (and in the opinion of many, they are even useless for unhealthy people). If it were myself I was deciding on, I wouldn’t hesitate. I wouldn’t vaccinate myself in a thousand years. And if it turned out to be a mistake, oh well, I would deal with it. But when you’re making this decision for the one person on earth that you love more than yourself or anyone else, you fear you might be wrong, you fear that she might slip in her diet and become unhealthy. You fear their may be factors you’ve overlooked. It’s scary, but in one direction or another you’ve got to make a choice. I’m not a hysterical anti-vaccine mom, I respect the choice that other mothers make but, personally, I don’t like vaccines. My choice was not to vaccinate Evelyn, not even on a an alternate or limited schedule.

  9. Eating this way may cost more, but then again, you get what you pay for right? The first time I discovered I lived near a farm which produced raw milk and pastured eggs, I was glowing. My first trip there included me walking up to the self-serve fridge to get milk and eggs, discovering the freezer of pastured beef and pork from another nearby farm and then leaving the money in an old coffee can. While I was sad I didn’t meet anyone from the farm, I couldn’t believe the honor system. Such a wonderful experience! I was seriously beaming the whole way home.

    I now happily give my hard earned money to an adorable, family run farm rather than some filthy meat factory.

    I also notice that because I eat out less and eating is more about fueling rather than indulging, I save money that way.

  10. I am LOVING this post, and all the comments. Laura, I used to be a member of a farm like that too. It was always quite a trip out to the farm, but I made it. It’s always been a little tougher to eat this way, but you just do it. It’s important. More important than tv’s, cars, computers, eating out etc. People got on for millions of years without those things, but what they did NOT get on without was nourishing, fresh, wild food. People try to sacrifice the food for the other things today, and we see them. They are sick, and they are sad. You can have my tv, it’s never on anyways, you can have my car, I’ll take the bus if I really need to go somewhere, my computer? I’ll throw it in the lake before I sacrifice food (I’m talking about real food here) and ultimately, health and happiness, for those ‘things’.

    There are many corners to be cut when eating paleo, and CAN be done on a budget. I allowed myself an extra 20 weekly when we made the switch from an already frugal budget, and sometimes we spend a little more, and often, we break even or spend less. Bone soup is a meal of choice, as it is cheap, and lasts for days. Can be sent for lunches, and eaten another day. In my opinion, it’s the ultimate meal for budgeters. Keeping it simple is key as well. Unlike Peggy, I like working my magic in the kitchen, but like Peggy, I keep it simple. I think I love the challenge of creating something beautiful simplistically. It doesn’t have to get boring either. Chicken soup one night can turn into some sort of curry with the addition of just one ingredient.

    This is obviously something I’m passionate about, and I am aware that Peggy just created a forum page. If people are interested, I’d love to talk about it, bounce back ideas, and so forth.

    • That’s encouraging Grainne. $20 more per week than you used to spend? You see, there are ways to make this happen! I’ve got some chicken thighs in the crock pot right now actually. Soups are our my favorite frugal meal too. The thighs with the bone on cost me less than five bucks and there’s some great nutrition in there. Don’t even need a multivitamin much less a doctor when you eat this way!

  11. Here’s a practical tip for making the switch to primal less expensive: eggs for breakfast. Even if you are paying a higher price for quality, eggs are so cheap, and easy, and will set you up to have a great morning, so you don’t ‘need’ a mid-morning ‘snack’.
    I have found that eating right allows me to skip many of the expensive trash foods I used to eat. I’m still spending more, but not that much more.

  12. I love the eggs for breakfast tip, I have been paleo for some time now (though I cheat with peanut butter sometimes!) and actually live at an urban farm type arrangement in Seattle where we get 12+ eggs a day! Like Peggy I have a lot of allergies discovered through the testing and eggs are in my top few!! So eggs for the kids and husband yeah but not for me. It’s lame. If I’ve ever wanted to ‘get over’ an allergy, it’s that one. I’m intolerant too though and so when I decide to test it my belly let’s me know it wasn’t a good idea.

    • I hear you on the egg sensitivity. I love eggs too but they are on my allergy list, although pretty low. I can tolerate them occasionally, and sometimes I cheat by eating them too often, but when I eat too many of them I can tell. I usually make them for the fam and not myself. But they sure are a cheap way to go when we’re broke!

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  14. Just a couple thoughts on budget paleo, since I have extreme budget limitations at times, and have found a few ways to work through that.
    First, don’t try to make “paleo versions” of conventional foods. Baking bread with coconut and almond flour is really expensive for the return you get on it. You are better off just choosing meals that do not use baked goods, substitute versions rarely compare favorably with what they are replacing anyway.
    Second, the farmers market is your friend. Not the big ones in the city where everyone has traveled in from farms way outside, see if there is a smaller town nearby that has one so you can talk to the farmers and maybe even find one that you can go right out to the farm to pick up meat and produce. I have found that I can usually get a better price if I save them the trip in to the city.
    Third, while many paleo supporters lean heavily on meat, and good quality meat IS important, I think the most important thing is to avoid unhealthy “foods”. If I need to feed a bunch of people on a strict budget I stir fry a little meat with a lot of veggies. Using bone broth in sauces will make the veg more interesting and filling than just steam and serve cooking.
    Lastly, research ethnic cooking. Most traditional cultures have signature dishes that were designed to make the very most of limited resources and don’t really suffer from simple omission of what little grain they do contain. I already mentioned stir-fry, and often I will cook ground beef and various veggies with taco seasoning and serve taco salad. Meaty spaghetti sauce is tasty served over sauteed summer squash, and I adore souvlaki with lots of summery veg wrapped in romaine leaves.

    • Such excellent advice! Thanks for taking the time to share that! I love your words against “Paleo versions” of foods. I totally avoid those too. I think they are expensive and in my opinion really not Paleo at all. What paleolithic people could seriously have eaten so much ground almond flour and all the other ingredients that goes into a grain-free bread!?

      The stir fry idea is great too and I just wanted to add that the thing that we fill up on here in my house is FAT. We don’t eat huge portions of meat either but we do eat huge portions of fat!

      • Of course you are right about the fat. I suppose it is so automatic to me that I forget to mention it. I notice that my guys eat less of everything if I serve dishes with lots of fat in them. If I want to be really sure that I do not get hungry for a while, I eat an extra Tbsp of coconut oil with breakfast. My favorite (which incidentally helps with the raw protein eating too) is to blend half cup coconut milk, Tbsp coconut oil, raw egg yolk and tsp honey (sometimes I add a shot of espresso to my mug just for fun). This can fuel the high-energy kiddo for hours with no begging for snacks or asking when lunch is. I think not needing to keep easy snacks on hand saves $ too, that eggnog breakfast costs less for the whole family than many peoples mid-morning snacks for a single kid.

        Since I reminded myself of raw protein, do you think there is a significant difference between truly raw meat and very rare meat? I too feel as though I need more, but the feel of uncooked meat does something unkind to my perception of it. I can eat cuts that are seared on the outside and still quite red in the middle, though, with great enjoyment.

    • This is SO true. When I first made the switch to primal eating, I was making almond flour pancakes, coconut flour cookies and almond butter brownies like every other day. It was ridiculous :) Of course I was still fighting the sugar cravings and that was my “acceptable” route. But yes, constantly trying to recreate baked goods and comfort meals (think meatloaf) can really run you into the poor house.

      I am loving all of these ideas from everyone. I am always trying to find new ways to slip some fat in to my cooking. Simple is best!

      Oh yeah, and everyone at my work thinks I’m crazy when I munch on some spinach and leftover meat for lunch… I don’t even let them see me take a bite of butter, I don’t think they could handle it ;)

      • Ha! I know what you mean. Sometimes I got to a a nearby steakhouse to get a steak that is swimming in butter (I don’t do this very often because butter isn’t good for me) It’s funny to see their face when they watch this tiny little girl eat the whole rare steak and all the butter around it. Reactions in restaurants about the way I eat can be so entertaining!

  15. Thanks for all the great tips!! It IS the extras for is that cause us to go over te budget too. The foods that are paleo versions.
    I love your blog Peggy and all the commenters. It is so much help!

  16. I loved your post Bevie. You are absolutely right. Keeping it simple is key. All those concoctions are expensive. For about a month at the end of school, I was making banana almond pancakes EVERY morning with eggs, almond butter, banana, and swimming in butter. Then one morning my husband made them without the almond butter, and everyone loved them anyways. Fried egg and banana mush. Who knew?

    Peggy, Kristin,
    are you intolerant of the whole egg, or just the white? I am only intolerant of the egg white, and will usually have one whole egg, and one egg yolk. My stomach doesn’t cramp too much that way. I used to have a habbit of cracking an egg, letting the white slip through my fingers into the sink, and then popping the whole yolk into my mouth and swallowing it before it could break.

    A lot of the stuff we eat are the cheaper cuts, like Peggy pointed out with the chicken thighs. It’s cheap in this society where fat has become a taboo, so make use of the error the western world has made, and laugh at how cheaply you pay to eat like a (Primal) King.

    Intermintent Fasting should not be overlooked as a way to save either. Or just not eating so much. It’s not for everybody, but I think we put way too much emphasis on food – it’s on our minds a lot. Who says you have to eat dinner everynight? (CW that’s who) Your kids are no different, they wont let themselves starve. Make dinner, or have something on standby, and then let them come to you and say “I’m hungry.” In this way, you are helping them to learn to be more aware of their own bodies, and if they skip a few dinners, and have an extra egg in the morning, well, it’s a side benefit.

  17. I tried some raw ground meat tar tar for my family and while I enjoyed it immensely it was pretty much a no go. They couldn’t get over the “ick” factor. I feel that I need to go simpler anyway cause there were a lot of ingredients in that!
    So maybe a very rare steak? Raw eggs in smoothies… we do that.. and will soon have raw kefir/milk to add to that! I dunno if I could just eat a plain raw egg… hmmm.. any other very simple raw meat ideas?

  18. Oh and I have wild caught salmon from Costco in the freezer right now, how would I make tasty salmon sashimi? What to serve it with?

    • Yeah, the ick factor is a tough one for older kids. Even my daughter gets grossed out by some raw foods these days. ;( A very rare steak is definitely a hit around here. And raw egg smoothies work great.

      Try taking the family out to sushi if you can afford it! Even though we don’t eat rice we get sashimi and have a little wheat free tamari. The ambiance might help them warm up to it.

      My daughter lives for sashimi. That is her favorite.

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  20. Hi Peggy, you mentioned in your bio that after 3 months of starting the Primal lifestyle, you got pregnant. I was wondering how long did it take you to start FEELING better after going Primal. I have gone 3 weeks being Primal without really feeling better (I will lose weight), so then I get discouraged and frustrated and fall off the wagon. Maybe I’m just looking for an excuse to eat grains. :-( In speaking with others who are going Primal to help beat their chronic illness, many have felt a difference after 2 weeks. Thanks for your insight.

    • Christine,

      It took a really long time for me. Years actually. Going Primal helped with a lot of things but I was very sensitive to many foods and could really find any right way to eat Paleo for the longest time. A couple of years of experimentation finally led me to eliminate veggies and other things and then I started to feel great.