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strawberrytech
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Major Pain
on: August 23, 2011, 03:18

My husband claims to have interest in Paleo, hell he used to just about preach the logic after he read the Tim Ferris post about it.


He dropped out complaining about both the expense and lack of "convenient" snacking options.


I have been making a VERY conscious effort to get more alternative cuts that I find affordable at the farmers market and he is not willing to try any of them.


It is hugely frustrating. It feels like he thinks he is "too good" to eat these cuts or something. I'm irritated especially because I fear the kids (who are curious and willing to try anything at this point) will take after him and insist on eating bread for it's "convenience".


For me, it's not a choice. I have MS and the allergies showing an immune response in blood tests and results of my diets have shown that Paleo (meat/fruits/veggies) is what I'm meant to eat.


I am hoping more people will contribute to this discussion! How to get guys over their fear of eating "those" parts? (kidney/heart/tongue/liver/hocks etc.).


KeithD
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Re: Major Pain
on: August 23, 2011, 04:29

I eat meat but have not tried the other stuff yet. I am not against it, but the one time I tried liver was in the Marines and I quickly spit it out and gave it to someone else. My parents grew up on a farm and love liver and onions. I thought it sucked!!!!


Now, I eat grilled meats and roasted chicken, canned tuna, fruits, vegetables, good types of nuts and berries. Do you really have to go as hardcore? I mean from the variety I eat I feel great and my definition is pretty hardcore. I do cheat and have beer or wine sometimes, and coffee sweetened with honey or Agave. But my Allergies are for the first time almost non-existent.


So as a guy we think very easy with food. If it tastes good, fills us up we will eat it. So instead of the tough stuff, try a big fat juicy London Broil Round steak on the grill, a salad with oranges, spinach leaves, sliced banana, blue berries with Olive oil and some almonds too.


I bet you, he will eat it and will most likely want to grill it. My kids love my steaks, chicken breasts, roasted chicken from the grocery store etc. I bet your kids will. I usually grilled Zucchini and Squash as well with it.


FYI(We think easy for sex too, Cosmopolitan magazine's 70 ways to turn on a man…Gee wiz we only need 1!! But that is a different subject!)LOL


I am a personal trainer, former Marine, bodybuilder, strength athlete. I have been about 85% paleo for a year or so. I am now running with Vibrams 5 fingers and such. I have 3 young kids and have my hands full. I am the main food shopper and cook.

FYI: I am a art model, fitness enthusiast, tired father and a guy trying to be good at grilling and making healthy foods. I am very interested in what is here to be offered.

Heather
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Posts: 10
Re: Major Pain
on: August 23, 2011, 12:20

Just hide it in his food! :D


He can't have it both ways: complaining of the expense but then turning his nose up at the cheaper cuts you've foraged. He may not even notice the addition of these meats; Put liver in the food processor and make a smooth paste, then mix it in well-seasoned meatloaf or meatballs. Add some kidney to a beef stew or curry. Ham hocks are a great addition to a big pot of greens. Use bones to make broth, where you can add a bit of muscle meat and a lot of veggies to make soup stretch further. Use a meat grinder (or just ask your butcher to grind for you) to make organ meat into a mince, then use it as you would ground beef/pork etc. I have also heard goat testicles taste like chicken nuggets… bread them in coconut flour and serve them up! >;)


Alternatively, even though its not ideal to subsist on it you could bake coconut bread and the like, to keep the "convenience" aspect (for him, certainly not for you who has to bake it! lol).


If expense is a worry -and when isn't it nowadays?- stock up on meat in bulk. Find a friend to go in with you on half a cow, join Costco, look for deals online, etc. Use eggs as a source of protein and fat as well, as they are typically cheaper than meat. Limit nuts and nut butters as they tend to be expensive, and load up on fruit & veg from the farmers market where its likely to be cost-effective. Also; coupon cutting is under-rated, although its hard to find coupons for paleo foods. It sounds like you do a lot of this already, so forgive me if this is redundant!


Here's a good article [with recipes] on using organ meats in cooking: http://www.motherearthnews.com/Real-Food/1976-05-01/Eating-Organ-Meat.aspx


P.S.- I've heard that heart makes good jerky.


Lyle
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Posts: 1
Re: Major Pain
on: August 23, 2011, 22:03

I like to get Pork Neck Bones (from a local farm store/non feed lot stuff) and put them in a crock pot. The stew with chunks of meat and fat are really tasty, or you can simply dip off some broth to drink. The bones are super cheap. An entire crock pot full of meat, fat, bones, and broth for a few dollars. The dogs can have the bones after they are almost disintegrated (I can literally mash the bones with my fingers after about 48 hours). My cat gets the fatty broth over her food and she is now a gorgeous cat. She used to be ratty and dirty all the time. I still use cat food because I haven't decided on how to supplement taurine into her diet yet (plus I'm a tad lazy). I can spot a "dietar-ily lacking" animal when I see them now. The bones are definitely an alternative meat. Sneak in a few veggies and call it stew and maybe the kids will try it.


wdmama
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Posts: 7
Re: Major Pain
on: September 19, 2011, 20:17

Good advice!


As long as it tasted good my husband will eat it. Doesn't matter if it's kale or liver.


Don't tell him what it is, hide it if you have to.


I believe it was Civilized Caveman who recently had a recipe for beef tongue…came out looking like shredded bbq. So, I'd try things like that.


I'm not a fan of organ meats. I've tried, but I've always been a picky eater who is very sensitive to taste and texture. I've expanded my menu quite a bit, but organ meats just don't make the cut… I do, however, boil them for broth and enjoy that.


I'd recommend bone broths and using cheaper cuts of meat in that, slow cooked or simmered until tender.


Brandi
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Posts: 11
Re: Major Pain
on: September 22, 2011, 16:08

Wow. I'm sorry. I don't have much advice but I'm sorry you are dealing with this.

Kudos to you for still sticking with it and sticking to your guns for your health.

I eat meat but have not tried organs yet. Not sure if I will for awhile….lol. I have to build up so courage. :)


I come from a family with a lot of health issues. I’m just now having to deal with some of them at 29. I’m a single mother of a 5 yr old little girl. I’m trying to get my health back. I’ve been primal since August 2011.

Lilly
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Posts: 4
Re: Major Pain
on: September 22, 2011, 19:37

I love liver, especially with onions:) But heart, kidneys, tounge…I cannot eat them:( Maybe if somebody else would buy them and cook them for me,than I would!but nobodywill:D My husband loves liver too although he is not a Paleo member, so I dont have those problems, but I cannot convince him to stop eating great amounts of grains several times a day:(


LaurenM
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Re: Major Pain
on: September 22, 2011, 21:00

Wednesday is offal in this house. No exceptions. My husband had to CHOKE his liver (in ginger and tamari sauce) down this week, but he does it because he knows I'll castrate him if his anti-offal attitude infects any child of mine! There is no better source of so many things a body needs; I can't allow our lack of history with variety cuts to dictate our childrens' future.


Currently chicken livers are our daughter's favourite food – fried quickly in ghee with onions, garlic, bacon and green bell peppers, and served (to the adult trying to mask their flavour) with jalepenos. That's a recipe off Cheeseslave. Chicken liver pate is super easy (check Nourished Kitchen f.ex.), but I just can't get used to eating it without crackers. Beef heart makes fanTAStic chili – heart is a muscle, not an organ like kidney, so the texture is more "normal" but it tastes "beefier than beef" and lacks that bitter flavour some innards can have (soak liver overnight in something slightly acidic to mitigate that, and for maximum avoidance flash cook it then drain off the blood before continuing with cooking). Sliced thin, heart marinates and grills well – see Food Lover's Primal Palate. There's a whole string on organ meats on Paleo Hacks. I live in Bavaria and here bloodwurst and liverwurst that you cook in water and then squeeze out of the casing is a traditional autumn dish (slaughter time). I served them last week over celeriac/apple mash and real saurkraut. A friend who eats full SAD told me recently that the heart is the tastiest part of a chicken – try chicken liver recipes (except pate) to start. And I seem to recall that the guy who was the catalyst for the story arc in Amelie particularly savoured chicken kidneys. I agree with the other posters about mixing heart and liver in with regular ground beef – do not exceed 25% of the total amount if you want to hide the taste completely, and remember that liver is wetter than ground beef, so adjust your recipes accordingly. I'm not hot on kidney or lung because of the texture, so can't help there.


If it's just cheaper cuts of muscle meat, a slow cooker will make anything delicious – and the more cartiledge and connective tissue, the better the broth will be! Shanks are fantastic for this, as are ox tails (similar effect, I assume, to the pig necks mentioned above). I got turkey necks – of all things! – on vacation in northern Italy, a "local tradition and delicacy". I stewed the daylights out of them with tomato and herbs and it made a nice meat sauce. Just be warned that part of the prep is shredding it with a fork and pulling ou the vertebrae. I hear marrow is good on toast, but I've never tried it (not just a toast problem), however I do make sure it gets mixed into any soup or stew I'm making with bone-in meat.


Speaking of traditional delicacy, check out humble pie – I kid you not – which is a real thing and is made from venison heart and liver. There's a recipe on powertothebauer.blogspot.com/2009/11/humble-pielettes.html which I haven't tried yet (not ready to think about paleoifying pastry).


Other posters are right about bone broth (an absolute backbone of any real food kitchen, primal or otherwise). It also has the handy effect of stretching the protein absorption of any meat you eat with it, so it lowers the grocery bill twice – thrice if you count the savings on face and cellulite cream you won't need due to bone broth's collagen :) Check Nourished Kitchen for a chicken foot soup recipe that should knock any looming cold or flu out of the way.


Fish stock is also free if you go to a fish monger for their off-cuts, and gives a great boost (f.ex to my low thyroid) from the glandular matter that cooks with the heads. At about 6 hours to cook, it's also the fastest stock to make. Strain it, add lime leaves, lemon grass, white pepper and coconut milk, and whatever veg and cubed fish, shrimp or chicken you want; we call it "dragon lady soup" after the neighbour in Gran Tourino.


Tongue can be poked all over and the holes filled with whole cloves and slivers of garlic, and then gently boiled. Slow cooked, it looks like pulled pork – would probably make a good version, too. Like heart it's a "muschle organ". Unlike heart it looks like what it is, even when cooked (if whole), so that can be an issue. And you have to peel it.


The food prep part is doable; clearly you've also got the foraging under control. I'd say a smack upside the head (in the most loving way, of course) is all that's missing! If the kids are on board, would that be enough to get him to at least zip his lip and eat? Good luck!


LaurenM
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Re: Major Pain
on: September 22, 2011, 21:02

I KNEW I'd forgotten something! Mark Sisson makes an "organ meat slurry" in the blender (sounds delish, no?) and cooks it slowly with load sof red wine and I presumably spices until it becomes a gravy. Check MDA for the recipe.


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