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Unvaccinated Kids Put Vaccinated Kids At Risk? Not So Fast!

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Persuaded to Vaccinate

Vaccines. The media is doing a brilliant job at making sure we believe they are:

  1. safe
  2. effective
  3. the only protection from disease.

In magazines and doctor’s office packets we are fed propaganda that is generally under-researched and contradicting. Here is an example I found just yesterday in Parenting Magazine.

They state that unvaccinated kids put vaccinated kids at risk. There are three problems with this fear tactic:

  1. Vaccinated kids are supposed to be immune. That should mean they won’t contract the disease even if they come into contact with it. So, either the vaccines don’t work or the statement is just false.
  2. Vaccines don’t require that 100% of the population is vaccinated in order to eradicate a disease. This is called herd immunity.
  3. Some vaccinations lose their effectiveness after a few years, pertussis being the most recent example, yet unvaccinated kids are still blamed for the outbreak. (The author spent the whole article villainizing the parents of unvaccinated kids and added this tidbit as an end note.)

Herd Immunity

The entire population does not actually need to be vaccinated in order for a vaccine to be effective. According to the CDC,

“The theory behind the development of herd immunity is: in diseases that can be
passed from person to person, it is more difficult to pass that disease easily when
there are those who are immune to it. The more immune individuals there are, the
less likely it is that a susceptible person will come into contact with someone who
has the disease” – from slide 16

For example, percentages of the population which needs to be vaccinated in order for a vaccination to be effective are as follows for various diseases:

So, why do we see this no-tolerance mentality, then, if unvaccinated kids aren’t hurting anybody? Two reasons.

Compliance

The first is that reaching those percentages is very important for the vaccine to eradicate a disease (if the vaccine is actually responsible for eradicating it at all – in many cases the disease was on its way out [diseases have a life cycle] at the same time that the vaccine was released). So how do you get such a large percentage of the population to comply? Put it in their faces constantly and scare them into believing that it is absolutely necessary.

Big Business

The second reason is because vaccines are big business now. There are billions and billions of dollars being made on sticking needles in us. In the article How Vaccines Became Big Business (it’s long but well worth the time) you’ll see how what was once a money losing business became a multi billion dollar monopoly. Fear of pandemic and a chance scientific discovery (adjuvants) made large scale vaccine production not only necessary but possible.

The three big vaccine players Glaxo, Novartis, and Sanofi-Aventis started looking for ways to gain consistent revenue, rather than periodic spikes in revenue whenever a disease scare hit. So that’s what they do now. They find diseases to vaccinate for and they create the vaccine. They tell the population that they need it and we believe them. But it’s not a whole lot different from believing that we need prozac for depression or Ibuprofen for headaches. We don’t need their drugs. They need our money.

Later this week I’ll be posting some more thoughts on vaccinations and what you should be doing to boost your child’s immune system if you don’t vaccinate.

How to be a Responsible Parent of Unvaccinated Kids by Boosting Natural Immunity

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38 Comments

  1. This is awesome to see. I was actually going to ask how you feel about vaccinations a few weeks back when you had your daughter. I figured you were like-minded :)

  2. Thank you for this Peggy!! This hits home for me SO MUCH right now because I have made the decision to not vaccinate my youngest daughter who is now 3 months old (my youngest girl of five). I was interrogated and intimidated strongly by a dear friend about it this past weekend and it made me feel so horrible. I am now researching everything I can to ensure that I am more comfortable with defending my position in the future. I will also need to figure out how to avoid an issue when my daughter is school age. Two of my other daughters have severe food allergies. I am doing everything in my power to ensure that doesn’t happen with my youngest, including not vaccinating!! I am very much looking forward to more of your posts on this topic, as there is such a huge need and not a lot out there. Thanks again!

    • Great post Peggy!

      Sean Croxton over at Underground Wellness did an interview with Dr. Sherri Tenpenny. She explains what do to about school vaccination regulations and how to get around them!! Comes down to knowing the law and the facts about vaccines.

      http://www.blogtalkradio.com/undergroundwellness/2010/02/04/ask-the-vaccine-expert-w-dr-sherri-tenpenny

    • You are welcome. Definitely read up. It’s tough to sift through the bullshit and it can be tough to stand up for yourself at times.

  3. I am a family physician that fully embraces the Paleo community and lifestyle, but this is an area that scares me. Some of the most seriously ill children I have seen have been not vaccinated. Herd immunity only works when the vast majority are vaccinated, because not every person vaccinated develops an immunity. Therefore to get to the level of immunity in the community most have to be vaccinated for the “herd” to get benefit. My children are vaccinated and I encourage most (but not all) vaccinations. Vaccinations have saved millions of people from death and serious illness. Yes, we over prescribe medications and vaccines are a big business, but don’t throw out the baby with the bath water.

    • Right, in order to get the benefit of vaccinations, the herd quota (the specific percentages in the table above) must be reached.

      It probably wouldn’t be a good idea to tell everyone in the country not to get vaccines. And believe me, I won’t do that! It takes a commitment to health for a body to have the ability to fight disease. Most people eat foods which lower their immune systems, don’t eat foods which boost their immune systems, don’t breast feed for long, eat sugar, avoid eating powerhouse foods like organs, don’t exercise, are unhappy with their lives, stress out, eat food colorings and other chemicals. All of these things brings us down and makes us more vulnerable to both the common cold and to “preventable diseases”.

      I wouldn’t get down about the Paleo community per se, most of the alternative lifestyle and diet communities have different views on vaccines.

      • Smallpox and polio don’t care about your lifestyle.

        • I disagree. That’s like saying that cancer doesn’t care about your lifestyle. It does. That the common cold doesn’t care about your lifestyle. It does. That the flu doesn’t care about your lifestyle. It does. The condition of our bodies make a difference.

          • I don’t think those are good comparisons. Cancer is its own sort pathology and probably doesn’t belong in the same bucket. And agreed, your immune response is driven by your overall state of wellness but these are very different “use cases” for that response. I think you can absolutely move the needle with lifestyle and diet on a metric like the number of times/year your toddler gets the common cold (and certainly change its progression too – the correlate between swine flu complications and obesity during the outbreak a few years ago is a perfect example). Smallpox though…. It’s a one shot deal with pretty much lifetime immunity if you survive. The overall fatality rate for children younger than 1 year of age is 40%–50% though. If we still had smallpox, would you roll the dice? Most of us were not alive when these diseases were endemic and I think it makes us bad at evaluating risk when it comes to vaccinations.

    • Dear Volney,

      I also embrace Paleo lifestyle, but still believe that some vaccines are necessary. Could you please advise, as a family physician, which vaccinations you recommend? you mentioned that you recommend most, but not all? I would be very interested to know which ones you do recommend. I have a 2-year old that will soon start kindergarten, and she’s had not all of the vaccinations, and I’m trying to make a decision which of them are most important to get before she starts.
      Many thanks in advance.

      Peggy, thank you very much for this topic and for the information, very relevant for me now.

  4. Many states allow vaccine exemption based on conscientous objection. Commonly, a form will be required to be notarized for each child, which can then be presented to the school or daycare.

  5. I want to start by saying that for the most part I agree with you and I do not plan to get most of the routine vaccinations for my kids. But I would like to share that in my own investigation of this issue I have found one valid reason for the ‘unvaccinated kids putting vaccinated at risk.’ The whooping cough vaccine isn’t given to young babies, so western medicine relies on the rest of the family, including older siblings, and the rest of society to be vaccinated so that babies aren’t exposed via a carrier. Babies are one of the most vulnerable populations to this illness and most at risk for death. I am still skeptical about some of the ingredients but whooping cough vaccine is one of the better ones, and the disease can be so serious (unlike most chicken pox) that it is worth considering a risk/benefit analysis. This may be one of the few vaccines I would consider for my kids.

    I have also heard a doctor say that another booster needs to be added because of it wearing off, but I wonder if that booster will also wear off eventually and if its just a band-aid solution that exposes kids to more toxins, makes more money for drug companies, but doesn’t solve anything long term. And if it is relatively safe and so dangerous to infants, why don’t they give it at a younger age? Then they could be protected while they are most vulnerable and by the time it wears off it wont be as dangerous. As opposed to giving the Hep B shot at birth, which has more controversial ingredients and babies are at an infinitesimal amount of risk until sexually active. Seems like a lack of logical thinking to me.

    • The same logic holds with Pertussis actually. The unvaccinated kids aren’t putting vaccinated kids at risk. I think what you are saying is that they are putting unvaccinated babies at risk. That might be a valid claim except that the pertussis outbreak wasn’t a result of there being unvaccinated kids, it was a result of the vaccines wearing off. I suppose they will start scheduling a booster then or find a new vaccine.

      I have wondered too about the delay of the pertussis vaccine. I imagine there must be some good reason but I don’t know it.

    • The medical powers that be originally wanted to give the Hep-B to at-risk families. Ya know… families that have infected members or bloody drug needles laying around. That didn’t go over so well politically. It’s easier to tell everybody to get it.

  6. I agree with some vaccines as well, however all the ‘new’ and scary…no way! I work in schools and I believe it is the other way around as far as dangers. We send unvaccinated children home during epidemics to protect them, not the vaccinated crowd.

  7. Peggy, for a smart woman who’s given lots of study to science and mathematics – as you say – I’m shocked at your stance on this issue. No vaccine is 100% effective – no one claims that is the case. Therefore, not all vaccinated kids will be immune. That is not an argument AGAINST vaccines but instead for higher vaccination rates… so that the ones who are not able to develop an immune response are protected by those who have. If only 80% of kids vaccinated against pertussis, for example, become immune, consider the percentage of unprotected children if only 60% are ever vaccinated in the first place. It is our job as parents to protect our children. Vaccines are so important.

    • I am not an activist against vaccines. I think vaccines as big business is important news though. People are free to make their own decisions about vaccines but I think they should do it with more than just the info their doctors give them.

    • Maegan,

      I agree that it is a parent’s responsibility to protect their children. I personally have different views about the way that should be done though. For my children vaccines aren’t my method. Thankfully, that is still my choice.

      It is unfortunate that some parents of unvaccinated kids may not focus on or know about ways to boost immunity naturally. That is what my next post will address.

  8. (And I say that as a fellow “primal parent.” I believe that vaccines are one of the few modern improvements upon the traditionally primal way of life.)

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  10. Thank you for this post. I’m always trying to educate myself on vaccinations and don’t always have the time to dig into on the Internet and books. I’m currently spreading out my daughters vaccinations, she’s 1 and she’s had I think 5 out of the like 100 she should have by now. Sometime I think I want to not vaccinate her but I get scared and not informed enough to make that decision. I look forward to future posts on this topic from you . Thanks!

  11. Peggy, I just wanted to say you are pretty brave for opening the “vaccination can of worms.” I have two kids vaccinated selectively, also delayed even the select vaccines we have chosen with my second kiddo, he has received none until he turned one. And, even between my kiddos, we have seen a huge difference in how their immune system works. It took us many years to overcome an anaphylactic egg allergy for my older child which I am pretty convinced was actually an early age vaccine damage. Not pretty. Thankfully we are over that hump but still dealing with another life threatening food allergy that I link to early vaccinations in our case also (poor kiddo and I though I was well informed at that time, too!). Some will think I am crazy for thinking that And, well, that is o.k. To each, their own. Both of my kiddos were breastfed until the age of three, yet my younger one has a much more robust immune system, he is also our “paleo baby” as he was born only a little bit before we all made the switch to primal/ paleo.

    And the claim that lifestyle/ diet is not a big factor in one’s immunity status is misinformed in my opinion. It is HUGE. My super healthy 5 year old just started kindergarten. Two times of eating school cafeteria food and he has an icky cold (not a surprise and I actually told him it would happen). Until that, this is the kid who has been in a co-op preschool since he was a baby, i.e., surrounded by germs of all kinds, of course. He has had ONE cold and ONE flu case (swine flu and totally not a big deal for us) for the past FIVE years. Last year his preschool had a massive outbreak of chickenpox and he has never been vaccinated. I was so sure he would get it as every other kiddo (vaccinated and not) did around him. Did he get it? Nope (which is a bummer, of course, it would have been a safe time to get it)! Lifestyle/ diet is HUGE and it really all does start with food.

  12. There’s only one problem with your argument that “if vaccines work, then unvaccinated kids won’t make them sick” and that’s the fact that a lot of kids who are getting sick are too young to be vaccinated. If you have a kid exposed to pertussis at 5 mo. before they get all their boosters for the vaccine, they are not fully immune.

    • That’s a good point. There are a lot of kids in the process of becoming immune. Unfortunately, the shots may have left their immune systems quite a bit weaker than the kids who didn’t get the shots and as a result are the kids more likely to get sick in the first place, even more so than the unvaccinated kids.

  13. thanks for this! looking forward to your next post.

  14. I hope your child is never ill with one of the terrible, horrible diseases many people vaccinate their children against. My child was too young for the pertussis vaccination, and was infected by a child family member (who’s parents were anti-vax). My child died in a PICU unit. I had no choice to protect my child. Others have the choice to make sure they are not risking the lives of others. I feel it is a social responsibility. But hey, that’s just me.

    • I am sorry for your loss and I too hope my children never fall ill of a fatal disease. What a tragedy.

      Parents have many responsibilities to their children and to their communities, many of which are ignored. Keeping their children healthy by not feeding them Cheerios and Capin’ Crunch in the stroller at the mall would be a good start. I don’t mean to be insensitive but I believe that I am very responsible probably quite a bit more so than many who vaccinate.

  15. According to the herd immunity, how do you decide which children should be part of the herd?

  16. When I spoke to someone st the CDC myself they told me that the pertussis vaccine takes up to 6 months to take full effect and a child to be considered “immune”. The most dangerous months are those that are from birth to 6 months. That means that even giving this vaccine starting at the 2 month mark, that the child won’t be immune until after the most dangerous window of suseptibility. Babies are still at risk after 6 months don’t get me wrong, but it seems to me that there are many factors to their suseptibility.

  17. I will say though for my family we have chosen to do a selective and alternative vaccination plan. I do still believe in vaccinating, but I try to spread it out and only get the most essential ones. I have been very lucky to find a pediatrician that works well with me. I have had a lot of trouble with my daycare provider though. I don’t expect the world to agree with me or my views. I just wish people wouldn’t live in fear of my children and get a little more information and then we can happily respect our different points of view.

  18. Really glad you posted this, Peggy. I think the message to take away here is that if you’re going to let your children be unvaccinated, you also need to be vigilant about ensuring they are as healthy as can be (through diet and lifestyle). Its not wise or safe for SAD parents to not vaccinate, but it is a different matter with parents committed to a paleo (or similar) lifestyle.

    I’m pregnant with my first, and my partner and I have been researching this topic so we know where we stand once it’s relevant to us in a few months. Neither of us feel vaccines are safe enough, and neither of us have come across evidence compelling enough to push us toward vaccination.

  19. My gosh, where do third world countries fit into this debate?

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  21. Thank you very much i have done my research on vaccination. I have decided not to vaccinate my kids. After my cousin recieved his shots at 2 he did not talk, or show any emotion. My aunt stopped going to doctors and naturally cured him. After 5 years of eating healthy he started showing emotions and communicating. Till this day he has a hard time concentrating but he is making major progress.