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Fast Food Is Disgusting

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Spread the word that fast food is nasty!

There was a great article in the New York Times this weekend by Mark Bittman called Is Junk Food Really Cheaper in which the author refuted the typical excuses people give for eating junk food over real food (he even used that term – real food). He also offered some very sound solutions to the problem like making fast food uncool and other grassroots movements.

Argument 1: Healthy food is actually cheaper than McDonald’s

Bittman used grocery store prices and not Whole Foods or farmer’s market prices so the comparison is not meant to be ideal, but even still, making dinner from grocery store food is way healthier than eating food prepared at most cheap restaurants.

You can serve a roasted chicken with vegetables along with a simple salad and milk for about $14, and feed four or even six people. If that’s too much money, substitute a meal of rice and canned beans with bacon, green peppers and onions; it’s easily enough for four people and costs about $9.

Argument 2: You get more calories for you buck when you eat fast food

Oh come on! Olive oil offers 9 calories for every gram and you can pick up a 2nd press bottle for just a few bucks. It’s not the best olive oil but it is still better than GMO, overly processed soy or corn oil.

But given that half of the people in this country (and a higher percentage of poor people) consume too many calories rather than too few, measuring food’s value by the calorie makes as much sense as measuring a drink’s value by its alcohol content.

Argument 3: 2 million Americans living in rural areas are 10 miles or more from a supermarket

Ok, yeah, that’s gotta suck but check this out, 93% of those people actually do have cars. Maybe they just don’t want to make the trip to the store and then come home and cook after a long day’s work? Awe, pobrecitos!

Argument 4: There’s not enough time to cook

In 2010 the average American, regardless of weekly earnings, watched no less than an hour and a half of television per day. The time is there.

Caught you again!

Argument 5: They don’t know how to cook

He only briefly listed this point but, indeed, we hear this all the time. “I never learned to cook so I just eat stuff that’s prepared for me.” So, they can’t figure out how to cut up some meat and veggies and throw them in a pot? Or is it that they don’t know how to read? I’m not buying it.

Why All the Excuses Then?

He argues that people are financially capable of eating healthy food. The money is in their wallets, they have the time but they’re not doing it anyway.

 So we have to assume that money alone doesn’t guide decisions about what to eat.

Ubiquity

The ubiquity, convenience and habit-forming appeal of hyperprocessed foods have largely drowned out the alternatives: there are five fast-food restaurants for every supermarket in the United States

Addiction

Furthermore, the engineering behind hyperprocessed food makes it virtually addictive

I am so glad he broached this topic! He sites references to accuse the industry of manufacturing addiction. He unflinchingly blames the fast food industry when he says:

This addiction to processed food is the result of decades of vision and hard work by the industry.

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70 Comments

  1. Love this phrase: “Don’t feed your kids fast food, ever! Teach them that fast food is disgusting and that the people who eat it are also disgusting.”

    It’s so true. I really noticed how expensive fast food is once I stopped eating it. I’d get the total and think about all the food I could have bought at a grocery store for that price. AND it probably would have gotten me more than one meal!

    • So true. Every once in a great while I used to stop by a “nameless” fast food establishment and get their low-carb breakfast bowl. Ah the guilt – every time!

      For the $5 dollars I hand to the fast food place, I could get a dozen pasture raised eggs from my farmer’s market, and have a little money left over. Add another $5 to the shopping trip, and I can get a pound of bacon. That feeds me breakfast all week, not just twice.

      No more. :) Not because of this post, but because I know I can do better.

  2. I totall agree with that, however I wouldn’t go as far to tell my kids that people who eat fast food are disgusting. Lifestyle choice doesn’t equal bad people, it just equals poor terrible lifestyle choice. It’s kind of the same thing as saying that I’m terrible, lazy, and worthless because my BMI is currently 32 (2 points into obesity). I mean sure you could say that and I would most likely get angry at you, but it’s untrue.

    • Yeah, I’m definitely not going to teach my daughter that people who eat fast food are disgusting. Someone can make bad choices in one area of their lives and still be a wonderful person worthy of respect. I want my daughter to learn to be compassionate toward herself and others, and teaching her that someone who smokes, eats fast food, or is overweight is disgusting is kind of the opposite of that goal.

      • Ok, I don’t want to teach my kids to be judgmental either. But the fact is, that if you subsist on fast food, you are seriously deficient in vitamins and minerals, your hormones are imbalanced, your emotions are out of control, and you are really not yourself.

        I don’t know about you all, but I’ve been there. For years I was nutrient deficient and unhealthy in so many ways and that is, in my opinion, disgusting on some level.

        I believe that we’re all in a really sad position here being duped by the government and media and that in a huge way this isn’t even our fault, but the simple fact is that fighting with our kids and spouses, road rage, wasting time in front of the tv, laziness, etc is disgusting.

        We all have the POTENTIAL to be not disgusting. Deep down we may be really great people, but bad food choices robs us of that.

        In my opinion this is really a important point.

        • Yeah that’s one thing my 10 year just can’t wrap his head around. In this crazy journey we’ve been on learning about how food affects our bodies, he just can’t understand why it’s okay to market and sell food that’s nutritionally crap. He’s absolutely outraged and that’s kind of sad because it shouldn’t be that way.

          • It’s sad that a kid of 10 years old has to even think about this stuff at all. That a 10 year old should be “outraged” is sad. But how can they not be once they get it? It truly is amazing that it is ok to “market and sell food that’s nutritionally crap”. As soon as kids get that, they realize that our world is not safe.

  3. I happened to read the article yesterday and tweeted/Facebooked it because it was so cool.

    Many, many people who think it’s unaffordable need to get organized and smarter about shopping/cooking and would then find they can afford it. It is a paradigm shift. Great to see someone so high profile arguing for this.

    I think education will help but there will always be a significant proportion of people who will never shop, cook, reorganize their time because they lack the life skills and determined mindset. The people in the middle between the converted and the never-will-convert are where the hope is.

    It would be interesting to do a followup with the people who Jamie Oliver works with to see how they do when the cameras have stopped rolling and the culture in which they live starts to encroach on their lives again. Change is hard especially when we’re talking an addiction (and we are.)

    I am happy to demonize fast food (and have many times) but I would not say people who eat fast food are disgusting. I just wouldn’t go there. Opens a can of worms and is unnecessary. The marketing behind these companies which specifically targets little kids to indoctrinate them for life – that’s a better place to target the attitude.

    • Not only are we talking addiction, but indoctrination. That’s exactly it. Saying that fast food is disgusting, don’t take your kids EVER is radicl, and people are thinking, aww, poor little kids, their parents are crazy, sending their own to school with a can of soda and a lunchable, with change for a candy bar from the vending machine inbetween. How many people, when they DO cook a meal, have such a skewed idea of what FOOD is, that they serve hamburger helper, or ravioli from a can with a can of peas? This is what we are up against. And we run the risk of our kids looking around at what everyone else is doing and saying “you’re nuts man, you. are. nuts!” I am sharing this, and if anyone is offended, well, it’s probably something they needed to hear.

      • Yes, biggest fight with my extended family ever. They’re fine with my choices on food but heaven forbid I tell them they can’t give my kids a large ice cream… I go from being a good caring Mom to a terrible dictator bent on ruining all fun in my kids’ lives. Since when is diabetis fun?

  4. It’s a little funny to me that you’re telling people to start cooking when you’ve written before about how much you hate it … but it’s true! Sure, fast food is cheap and convenient, but so is buying bulk meat and sticking it in a crock pot. Earlier this week, I bought two organic chickens at Costco for about $10 each, and threw one in the crock pot. I ended up with 4 Jennie-sized meals and 2 boyfriend-sized meals, plus 12 cups of chicken stock! Love chicken stock.

    • Jennie, I don’t like cooking, but I do it. What choice do I have. And if I choose not to cook, I just eat my food raw. I go to the grocery store three times a week and not the fast food joint.

      This was cute by the way, “I ended up with 4 Jennie-sized meals and 2 boyfriend-sized meals.” :)

  5. Jen, Jennifer, Alison,

    I definitely agree with you about “teaching” your kids to think that people who eat fast food are disgusting. My wording was a little hurried at the end of the article and maybe I should go in and change it a bit.

    The idea is that society as a whole adopts the idea that eating fast food is disgusting. So that we won’t want to eat fast food because we will feel disgusting when we do.

    The idea is still debatably horrible. Do we really want people to feel guilty when they make that bad choice to indulge in unhealthy food? We all know that eating while feeling guilty is bad news.

  6. aw . pobrecitos! me encanta : ))

  7. Not to mention that eating fast food is crazy expensive taking into account all of the doctor appointments and medications people end up paying for as their health quickly declines.

  8. I’d take it one step further and say most restaurant establishments are “disgusting”; for all the reasons you noted above.

    Fast food is easy to point the finger at because it is ubiquitous, but dining out on a regular basis (ALMOST regardless where) will expand your waistline and shrink your wallet.

  9. I really don’t see the point in demonizing anyone with an addiction. Not a great example for our children on any level.

    I think it’s much more effective to point out/explain to a child that so-called “fast food” isn’t real food.

    I’m not going to judge anyone for their food choices anymore. I’d rather be a shining example of good health and have them ask me what I do to look so good!

    • I’m playing devils advocate here, but this is coming from someone who is healthy and whose children are healthy.

      “I think it’s much more effective to point out/explain to a child that so-called “fast food” isn’t real food.”

      That’s a great point FOR US, but what about for the rest of the country who doesn’t have a clue about food choices? That’s the problem we’re trying to tackle here.

    • What Sondra said. If you have to resort to attitudes like people are “disgusting” for their food choices you have already lost your battle to win hearts and minds.

      • I don’t think I was ever fighting a battle to win the hearts and minds of the addicted and diseased. They need intervention, not winning over. I don’t know if you’ve every tried to win over or convince a drug addict to change, but it doesn’t work. They will fight for their addiction to the death. Sure a few here and there have the power to take their health into their own hands, but with the media pushing junk, the grocery store isles being lined full of it, the tv advertising it, and the chemicals and sugar being more addicting than heroin, there isn’t much hope for the masses to be won over with kind words.

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  10. My child can point to pretty much anything and identify it as either food or “fake food”. Currently she likes to locate yellow M’s beside the highway but doesn’t know what lurks behind those doors. It would not be a big step to teach her that fast food is fake food, and fake food is gross and makes us sick.
    I’ve been struggling with how to explain smoking to her – why I don’t want her playing it, why I move cafe tables to get away from it, but why I still like our neighbour who smokes. How to tell a small child that the person and the behaviour are not one in the same? Very tricky.

  11. Maybe one other way to word it is “you deserve better than fast food because you’re worth it.” And really, it’s true! Then again, I always remember an adult role model telling me that people who toss trash out the window of a car are disgusting. That stuck with, and I’ve never, ever done it. Words are powerful.

  12. So controversial! I love it!

    We all think it when we see obese, unhealthy people stuffing their faces with fast food. It’s disgusting! Maccas don’t advertise using the obese people who frequent their establishments, do they? We should tell people they deserve better! We should tell our kids it’s gross and show them the consequences of eating that junk. Most people hold back from saying anything about fast food and obesity, yet we can ban smoking near playgrounds and inside buildings. We can glare at people who smoke near us and it’s encouraged to teach our kids not to smoke – what about fast food? It should be frowned upon because it’s just as unhealthy long-term.

    • Hear hear! And giving the stuff to children is just plain criminal. While blame and demonizing certain behaviors may not be the answer to world peace, at least it should be understood that eating and especially feeding kids fast food is on par with other shameful activities.

  13. There’s nothing I disagree with as far as this article goes, but I have to say that I don’t think fast food is the primary reason everyone is so fat and unhealthy. I think it’s the middle aisles of the grocery store. Most people I know don’t eat fast food everyday. But they do eat boxed cereals, bread, cookies, crackers, chips and any number of low-fat supposedly “healthy” choices from the grocery store. Demonizing fast food will only get us a small fraction toward a healthier lifestyle. Until people believe, really believe, that they’ve been mislead by the grain industry and the government regarding their nutrition, nothing’s going to change.

    • That is so true. Fast food is the culprit for many but definitely not all. But when I saw the article in the NYT I was thrilled that they started a nice heavy ball rolling with something anyway.

      Indeed, even if people did start shopping instead of passing by the drive through, they’d by cereals and bread and all that non-food there.

      As always, I believe we’re a hopeless 6 billion people.

      • Have you had a chance to get “Wheat Belly” by William Davis yet? I’m reading it right now and even though I feel like I have a good grip on what’s wrong with how we’re eating, this book is still a revelation. I wish I could afford to give copies to everyone I know. I truly believe that if people really knew all the misinformation they’ve been fed– so to speak– they’d change their ways.

        • I haven’t read it yet. I have read so many books about wheat, being celiac, I wasn’t sure the book was going to offer anything new. Sounds like it’s worth checking out though from what I’ve been hearing!

          • What I appreciated was the breakdown of why wheat is bad for human consumption. He goes into detail about how it has been genetically modified (modern wheat can’t survive without human intervention!) and the mechanisms behind celiac disease and diabetes. I’m just half way through but it’s been informative so far.

    • “But they do eat boxed cereals, bread, cookies, crackers, chips and any number of low-fat supposedly “healthy” choices from the grocery store.”

      This is still FAST FOOD! It’s “food” that is fast. It’s quick. It’s easy. But its EXPENSIVE and HORRIBLE for our health. It’s killing the world.

      • Absolutely! I would love it if the popular notion of “fast food” would commonly come to include all the packaged stuff. In fact, I think that’s what I’m going to start calling it.

        • Yep! That’s what it means to me too. There really is no difference except in the image of that drive up place. As far as what’s going down, though, it’s the same thing.

        • This is so true! Everyone asks what I do to look and feel so good. I’ve boiled it down to a few sentences but the first thing people talk about is needing “quick food”. We’ve become a fast ass country! I always say, “Well, I think a bigger problem in your life is that you don’t have time to cook, cop a squat and eat”.

  14. Great post Peggy…but actively calling out everyone that you know who eat fast food disgusting is the fast path to being a social outcast. lol

    I used to think that I hated cooking too.

    After some international travel to Australia and Europe, I’ve come to realize something: the entire paradigm of fast, convenient “food” is one of the greatest travesties of modern life. Life’s too damn short to not enjoy eating real food prepared the way it was meant to.

    Now, I relish selecting wholesome ingredients and cooking and eating. It’s been a complete shift in point of view for myself. And it goes beyond fast food too. I’ve come to despise eating with plastic forks, styrofoam containers and paper cups with plastic lids and straws while sitting in the car or at my desk.

    I think it’s actually an entire mindset that needs changing here. Food and eating are not just some means of quickly getting energy to get back to work. It’s a fundamental and vital aspect of LIVING. It should be a priority, not an afterthought!

    But the current reality of how we’re essentially a fast food/snack obssessed nation is really based on two things: one, gotta keep serf’s working as much as possible, so we need to have an environment where they can eat things on the run, and two, since everyone eats a grain/carbohydrate heavy diet, most people are on the blood sugar/insulin roller coaster and develop insulin resistance and require stuffing their faces every 2 hours to avoid their blood sugar crash and shaky, nausea that comes with it.

    That shaky, sick feeling requires an immediate meal to placate, so something at a drive thru or popped in the microwave is that much more addictive.

    • Thanks for the sound criticism (which my facebook and twitter pages already revealed to me)! :)

      I really hadn’t thought of it as an offensive thing to say at the time because my world is so far removed from these kinds of choices. Fast food has connotations of ruined lives, ill health, and destruction of good people. It seemed sort of an obvious truth to me. But I guess not.

      Given that the problem is as deep, and much deeper, than you outline, what would we do about it then? It’s kind of a rhetorical question. That’s the answer we’re all searching for… Is it possible to fix 6 the mentality of the entire planet? Or is such widespread change not possible. Should we just say fuck them all and worry about ourselves and the few others who actually care?

      • Should we just say fuck them all and worry about ourselves and the few others who actually care?

        I think the only thing you can do is lead by example.

        I’ve converted a few family and friends to several principles – for one, using butter instead of margarine, and two, using coconut oil to cook with instead of vegetable oils.

        How did I convince them? Not by lectures and telling them to research for themselves, but by actually cooking for them.

        They ask how my cooking tastes so damn, and I tell them my “secrets.”

        • Well yeah on a grassroots level for sure. I agree that all the talk in the world isn’t going to change somebody who’s not interested in changing, but with a whole planet crawling with unhealthy people, you might have to come up with something a little bigger than leading by example. The kids in the ghetto don’t have any good examples. In fact, all the kids my daughter goes to school with don’t have any good examples either. What can we do about that? Anything?

          • I think we should all lead by example but we do need to take it a step further. Writing a blog post like this one, one that’s controversial is desparetely needed. Look at the response! This is what we need! We need real food bloggers to publish posts that get responses like this. Peggy is getting loads of traffic and is stirring up a lot of conversation.

            In the end, this post will do a lot more GOOD then harm. That’s a HUGE plus in my book. Writing something like this daily would turn off a lot of people but doing it here and there is absolutely necessary. We need people talking. This will get them talking.

            My post on Taco Bell got a HUGE response! I’m about to a different kind of fast food post soon…

      • I’ve struggled with this myself…trying to help people change for the better, that is.

        It seems so easy and so intuitive, having read the literature and experienced the results (lost ~50lbs total to begin, to a low of 169lbs but now effortlessly maintaining at a much more active 180-185…for about 2 years now).

        I’d tell a friend or three:
        “Just eat natural, whole foods”
        “Enjoy full-fat versions of food with more flavor.”
        “Indulge in things like bacon and steak on a daily basis if you wish!”

        But then, I drop the bomb on them. and see their eyes glaze over, the challenge is too hard:

        “It just comes but one simple and easy sacrifice, give up processed junk food and grains!”

        Oh, well, no, I can’t, I LOVE LOVE LOVE too much!!

        It doesn’t make sense to me. You could drop the excess weight, live a more vibrant life, feel more self confidence, if you make but one small sacrifice of eliminating a food category… But its too hard. The excuses vary: I love food too much. I’ve ALWAYS eaten this way. I’ll just burn it off when I get around to it. I don’t have time. Etc.

        Its a whirlwind of things coming together: immediate gratification culture (too busy to make food), junk food tastes too good and is addicting, denial that excess weight IS unhealthy (also some ppl really would rather just pop a pill and be magically better – aka big pharma).

        I don’t try to change people anymore. IF someone asks me, I will be more than helpful and explain as much as I can. But, you can’t make someone change unless they are willing to.

        • Evan I hear you. When I first found out I had celiac in 2004 I wanted to tell the world, especially my family. It does run in our genes and my family’s gene expression is anything but good so I just had to get them all tested right? WRONG. Not a single one of them even went to the doctor to get a blood test, after all these years. People don’t want to give up their addiction, no matter what the cost.

          But it took me some time to realize that. It took me years of trying to convince friends and family and strangers. Now I don’t even talk to people who ask me about it. I know that in the end they still won’t do anything about it. That’s what the blog is all about. To offer info, strategies, and support for people who have already made the choice.

          I don’t want to have anything to do with changing the world. It’s not going to happen. Not unless big business went down in flames.

          Every once in a while I get romantic and think of ways to make it happen. Reading that article today was one of those moments. I thought, hmm, could there actually be a way to do this? Could this psychological strategy be the answer? What was I thinking of course! It’s amazing how much the idea pissed people off. Don’t blame anyone for being stupid, they’re people too. Be careful what you say, we don’t want to turn our kids into judgmental righteous brats.And we definitely don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings – fat people are people too. Well fine. What’s the answer then? Sometimes it takes a little pain to make big huge changes like those that are called for in our society today.

          • Interesting discussion. Ultimately I think the answer is in holding people individually accountable. There may be cases where people grow up without good examples, but how many people do you know who do and still eat like crap?

            One of my husband’s clients, a big construction firm in our area, has made it company policy that if you’re fat or smoke you pay more for insurance coverage. They will pay for the employees to go to the gym and lose weight and lower insurance costs for those who do. So if the employee chooses to sit on their butt and do nothing– they pay for it.

  15. Peggy:

    Great post. I’ll never forget the day I stood outside a McDonald’s, with my daughter (then 5), while her friend went in with her mom and got a Happy Meal that had been promised as a reward for a good report card.

    The whole thing was so foreign to us – (eating fast food and the idea of receiving food as a reward) – that we both just knew, without saying a word to each other, that we couldn’t even go in, that we would wait outside.

    At the time, the mom of the friend was borderline obese, and the friend was getting a bit heavy for a 5 year old. Now (seven years later), the mom is clearly obese, and the friend is a overweight by anyone’s standards.

    I think you’re very right about not letting your kids eat fast food. In my own experience, it never got to the point of “let” or not. My daughter just doesn’t want it. She barely knows what it is.

    Fast food has to be talked about, though, because the time will come when kids will encounter it without the parents being around.

    So far, I’ve found that facts, pure facts, are enough to persuade.

    As for telling her that it’s disgusting and that people who eat it are disgusting too, my thinking is different from yours …

    I’ve always been very hesitant to tell my daughter what to conclude. My approach is to present the facts about whatever we’re talking about, and let her draw her own conclusion. I’ll also tell her what I think (e.g. “I think fast food is gross) and I’ll explain other viewpoints (e.g. “a lot of people think it’s delicious – some choose to eat it even though they know it can hurt them and some eat it without knowing that).

    As for telling her what to think about people – I’m super hesitant about that. If I had told her,that day in front of McDonald’s that people who eat fast food are disgusting, then my daughter (even at 5) would have known I meant that her friend inside is disgusting.

    The message I want to get across is that we might not like something someone does, and we might not do it ourselves, but we can still like them. When you think about it, it’s the same thinking we (paleo followers) hope will be extended to us.

    In my case, a lot of people know I’m paleo, and some of them have drawn their conclusions about it and shared them with me (weird, rigid, etc.). To be honest, I don’t think we need the narrative about each other. if people have something on a factual level they want to talk about or debate, that’s OK. But labeling each other (“weird, rigid, disgusting, whatever) serves no useful purpose and may even further the disagreement (because once name calling starts, people can get pretty defensive of their position, regardless of validity).

    My reasoning goes on up to the big, huge happenings in the world, like the Holocaust. My daughter and I have talked about it. I gave her the facts, and she drew a conclusion. It was the same as mine. It’s a bit different when the topic is something where there are good arguments on both sides of the issue. See both sides and decide what she thinks is exactly kids need to learn to do.

    Very thoughtful post, Peggy. I’m with you on most of it.

    Susan

    • Susan, I have never told my daughter what to think about people! There is no reason to. Like you I believe that presenting facts and offering my own opinion of things (which doesn’t include pointing fingers and judging people) is all she needs to make her own decisions.

      The conclusion of the article was a suggestion as to how to change a global mentality about fast food. A movement to change people’s beliefs about fast food and hence their judgments about the people who partake. I don’t tell my daughter that people who smoke are gross, but she knows that I think smoking is gross and I’m sure she can come to her own conclusions about it.

      We definitely shouldn’t be teaching our children to judge people, but is it so wrong for our kids to think that eating fast food is disgusting? Naturally, some judgement is going to seep through about the person doing it. Probably not as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. I definitely think people are disgusting when I see them eating fast food, but that doesn’t mean I’m judging their character. (We’re all disgusting in some way. Last I checked kids who pick their noses all day are disgusting).

      Definitely I should have more carefully worded those last couple of sentences. I am not advocating teaching our kids to judge and hate but I am advocating a serious paradigm shift in the acceptance of the practice of eating junk food. It’s disgusting and not acceptable.

  16. While i understand your point, i don’t agree entirely. Teaching my kids what is good for them is very important to me, but i think that banning fast food (or anything else) would make it even more attractive to them.
    I am the one who pays, so i can choose when they go and eat there, and it happens maybe 3 or 4 times a year.
    Here in France, we have much less fast-foods than in the US, and i live in the country, so there is not a lot of temptations.

  17. Thanks, Peggy. Good thoughts.

    There are people in the the paleo community who are advocating a paradigm shift, and that’s a good thing. In doing so, I think it would be useful to look to history, i.e. to paradigm shifts that have been attempted in other contexts in the past – to figure out what’s worked and what hasn’t. It seems to me that paleo advocates need to answer these questions: What are the elements of a successful paradigm shift? What makes people receptive to a whole new way of thinking? What doesn’t? What makes people open to changing their behavior? What doesn’t?

    Note: I don’t consider myself a paleo advocate. I’m a quiet follower. I tweet about it sometimes, I comment on paleo blogs, and I talk with people about it who seem interested. In my own experience, I’ve found that the concept can make people uncomfortable, because it’s so different and foreign to them. Some people, it seems, start entertaining the notion that perhaps they’re wrong about the way they eat. When people feel like they’re wrong, they can become unreceptive to change. Their efforts can go into proving they’re right. Two books bear this out: Adapt, by Tim Harford, and Being Wrong by Kathryn Schulz.

    One thing I know: If you want people to do something different from what they’re currently doing, what you say and how you say it (i.e. the very words you use) will determine the outcome. Psychologists have shown this to be true, beyond a shadow of a doubt. See the book Mindset, by Carol Dweck.

    As always, I’m interested to know your thoughts.

    Your blog rocks, Peggy, and so are your efforts. You have huge potential for bringing about change. I look forward to seeing it happen.

    Susan

  18. Love this post. I need to write a blog post about this topic. I’ve been “dissecting” fast food restaurants but have been meaning to do a post on how to avoid fast food places! I need to do it asap and something like this as well.

    It amazes me how many people claim that they don’t have time or money. Bull shit.

  19. This post generated such a great discussion! I loved reading all these comments.

    A couple more thoughts I wanted to throw out there:
    First, when I was diagnosed with Celiac and started on the gluten-free diet, I accepted that I was going to have to spend more money on food. Yes, fast food and convenience food (I used to live on canned soup and frozen dinners) are cheap, but my health is worth investing in.

    The other is that when I tell people that I eat gluten free and turn down foods like cookies, often someone will tell me “oh, I should be gluten free or I should get tested for food allergies. My stomach hurts all the time but I don’t want to give anything up.” That is so sad to me because it’s SO EASY to just eat better and feel better. No drugs required. For some reason, some people are so attached to their junk food that drugs and constant pain are worth it to them.

  20. What would happen if fast food advertisements were no longer legal on television, similar to cigarettes? What if a law was passed requiring a person to be at least 18 years of age to purchase fast food? Wouldn’t that be an amazing stride? Imagine the setback to the fast food industry! It’s a giddy thought :)

  21. Instead of handling diseased, fast/junk food addicted people with kid gloves and ensuring they know we care about them as people above telling them the truth, why dont we just stop all the sugar-coating and get these people angry!? Incite their anger with the unadulterated truth about the industries who have engineered their conditions, the governments who back it, and the healthcare providers who continue their suffering.

    Its not about judgement. Its about the fact that we ALL deserve more. more than this world in which our childrens inheritance will be sloth, gluttony, disease, depression, infertility, and more. Wouldnt it be amazing to see parks and beaches full of fit, active, nourished people shining with happiness, instead of seeing shopping malls and restaurants filled with obese, sick, miserable, oppressed people!?

    The majority of people do not understand how serious this is, how far astray we have been led. We need to convey the truth and not worry if someone’s false feelings bred from nutritional deficiencies and hormonal imbalances get a little hurt. The intention is good, and honestly its collateral damage if we can inspire a shift in thinking. Im sure they would be thankful in the end, when they dont have a host of diseases and die at a young age.

  22. Hey Peggy,

    Great post!

    I actually think that people that eat fast food are irresponsible. But I think that this comes from a society where we all need instant gratification: a tweet, a text, a Facebook post, a fast food dinner, a frozen dinner, you get the idea.

    America as a whole has been changing it’s values for a while now. We “need” the bigger/better/faster/luxurious items that we still don’t have. For this we need two working parents, a day care center, a TV as a babysitter where kids, while unattended because of very tired working parents, eat a happy meal, of fruity pebbles or whatever (and parents eating Jenny Craig, because it is “healthy”).

    My wife and I made a decision when we were married a long time ago. We decided that we were not going to be two working parents. That we would only buy what we could afford. We cooked mostly every night. We did not go on vacations. We bought a small house. And you know what? Everyone turned out OK. My children (adults now) do not drink soda, do not eat fast food and love to cook.

    I think that sometimes you need to go against the grain (pun intended) to get peoples attention. Great blog post!

  23. My father in Law and I had the discussion just the other night. He thinks we should shut McDonalds down or force them to have healthy stuff.

    I, a 85-90% Paleo eater say no. Must we remember when eggs were considered bad, beef the same etc.
    The govt. should not tell me what to eat. I am responsible for myself and my family. People have freedom to be dumbbutts and stupid.

    My response to my father in Law is take responsibilty for your actions. If you eat like a pig, drink excessively then you must pay the piper. Perhaps you should exercise too not attack Ronald McDonald.

    I try to set the example and my children are starting to take note. I refer some food as muscle food and junk food as fun food.

    I personally don’t see a problem with junk food every now and then. Just not as a staple part of our diet. An every now and then fun food.

    My father in Law then argues about obese people (he is one) are victims of fast food. I argue it is natural selection. Fat people die earlier, have multiple health issues, not attractive to the opposite sex and damaging the gene pool,etc. I feel we got too many people in the world and we need to thin the herd a few million.

    We must Move, Adapt or Die. From Dinosaur George’s website about dinosaurs. If people are not willing to change they will face extinction. We do not need to have such a victim personality nor do we need a Nanny society. Choose to eat right for you and your family not the whole world. Responsibility for oneself.

    • I agree with you to a point, but these people have been manipulated from birth. They are saturated with these beliefs – Of course they need someone to do a little shouting and waving. They cannot possibly be expected to act on something they are not aware of. Not all of these people frequent fast food joints on a regular basis, but as was stated earlier, all they may know is fast food in the home i.e. Kraft Mac and Cheese, and hot dogs with ketchup as a veg, hamburger helper, t.v. dinners etc….. The real problem is that our society has no place for “the family” as such. We know it’s all about the money, and we’ve all been taught to spit out the cash. We’re “living the American dream” right? It’s like this song I used to sing when I was little to “The ants go marching 1 by 1″ Only it was religious, about Jericho, and all I can remember is “and the walls came tumbling down…………..” Democracy in all its glory!

  24. I have been a fan of this blog and a regular reader for some time, but the tone of this post is too harsh… and frankly, I believe it misses the point. Fast food is NOT the sole culprit to blame for America’s obesity problem, any more than the 1900s farm wife who served up homemade biscuits and donuts for breakfast each morning. People have always liked delicious food, but as our culture has become lazier, we’ve gotten fatter. There are a million things to blame for obesity, and fast food is just serving a demand, not causing it.

  25. You are spot on that it’s about education. People really, really don’t know. Sure, some know and don’t care, just like everyone that smokes now knows better. But if we could get widespread education on fast food like we did with cigarettes, it’s certain to drop the numbers. But how to educate people? Elementary school would be a great place to start…but would they teach it? I would just cringe anytime I watched Jaime Oliver’s Food Revolution because kids have no idea what food is. Like NO idea. But TV shows like that are bound to help.

    I think people really do need to see junk food as poison–as something that can make them really ill, not just as “unhealthy” or something that promotes obesity. And people need to understand what junk food is. It’s not just soda and chips and fast food. It’s nearly ALL convenience foods. It takes a lot of motivation to really change the way you eat–just like your list shows: You have to give us leisure activity, learn to cook, plan meals and shop at the grocery store, and then rewire your taste buds to accept healthy foods. It can be a huge mountain to climb.

    The financial argument that it’s cheaper is pretty bogus, though. When I was struggling financially, I almost never ate out, even from the dollar menus. I could always buy food cheaper at the grocery store (that was before I bought organic/pastured, of course). I ate poor person food–beans, grains, the least expensive produce–but it was still healthier than fast food!

  26. Where’s the “A Disgusting Epidemic” Blog?

  27. Jeez Peggy, thanks a whole lot. I just ate breakfast and now I’m hungry for some meat and apples! Yumm!

  28. Sorry to rehash this post, but I wanted to share the comment I left on my FB page when I had read Mark’s article originally. If you’d like, let me know what you think…

    From my link to this article on FB – John-Paul Rinylo:
    I love this argument… the article gets right to the facts. But what is doesn’t mention is that CONVENIENCE and EDUCATION are the issue, and NOT price. In most cases, the poor, rich, educated and non-educated have ALL been encouraged to neglect what is an innate part of us… real food, from the earth and animals around us, offers all of the nutrition and nourishment we need. Unfortunately, Mother Nature doesn’t have the advertising budget that the Golden Arch’s does… even though she had served billions before the arch’s even existed.

  29. I’ve been thinking about this post for at least a week now (sign of a good post: it makes you think!) and during a trip which took me for a long stop in the Denver airport, I took a look around. I was hungry. All of the fast food places did not have in advertisement an overweight, aging, unhappy person having their food, but rather a young, slim, healthy happy, energetic person eating their food, in a swashbuckled attempt to say, hey, this is ok. Now, the Denver airport actually has some good choices for food, but I was paying attention to the advertising: let’s face it, it is a blatant lie. You eat MickeyD’s nonstop you will get fat and depressed within a month (although I did not see one in this airport, that’s what I was thinking about). You are hungry, vulnerable, and between flights, so what do you do? You pick what is easiest and most readily available. Maybe for those who are poor and/or single parents (HUGE percentage of the population) you are going to go for what is easiest/cheapest: the dollar menu. It really takes support and encouragement to overcome the guerilla tactics done by the fast food nation that we are in.

    Thank you, for taking a strong, opinionated stand against this. Many would not have the you-know-what to do the same.

    P.S. I’m buying Pemmican now, because of you, and no kidding, it has changed my life! Feel free to quote me.

    • This is what I was thinking of when Peggy wrote this post. It’s not that eating junk automatically makes you disgusting, but eventually, with enough of it, your body is going to go downhill. But people don’t see that. They see themselves as invulnerable to the effects of poor food choices. The Supersize Me documentary was a great example of showing how fast food can make a person sick and gain weight in a short amount of time.

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